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Unpacking the Trump Rally Shooting: Media, Conspiracy Theories, and Civil Discourse
The chaos of the Trump rally shooting and its aftermath left us with many questions. With Chris’s military insight, Tim’s questions, and Jordan’s raw reactions, we unpack the Secret Service’s response, comparing their human limitations to high-stakes professions like the military and fire service. The tragic loss of an innocent bystander underscores the gravity of the event, and we reflect on the broader implications for civil unrest and public safety.
As videos of the incident flooded social media, the disparity between civilian footage and cautious mainstream reporting became glaring. We scrutinize the immediate response, the role of media narratives, and the psychological toll on security personnel during these high-pressure moments. Drawing from personal anecdotes, we emphasize the gap between theoretical training and real-life decision-making, stressing the importance of empathy and understanding public perception.
The specter of political conspiracy theories looms large in our discussion, casting a critical eye on the potential for such incidents to provoke unrest or shift public opinion. Balancing reasoned debate with poignant reflection, we call for higher standards of political conduct and civil discourse. We believe that by fostering rational conversations and critical thinking, we can navigate these turbulent times with empathy and avoid descending into chaos.
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guys, welcome back to let's go. Podcast season three is about to start. Um, we decided to do something different and this is our first virtual podcast. Um, we have chris kova. Chris, what's up, baby? How you doing guys yeah, and then we have of of course, we have Jordan Gimmiola.
Speaker 3:Hey dude, what up? Welcome back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're back, but, chris, thank you for joining us. We're just doing this because yesterday, as you guys know, the events happened with Donald Trump at the Pennsylvania rally. He was shot at and it was confirmed and Jordan and Chris, I'm sure, with you guys, same as me, like my phone blew up. People were texting and calling and, of course, chris, as you would probably know, the first person I called was Jordan, but he has kids and family so he couldn't answer, but I sent a text. I'm like, bro, bro, turn on the tv, like it's crazy. So, uh, I just want to. I want us to go over that and talk about it. Chris, we respect you and we love you. Man, you've served in the military, um, you've done very well for yourself and, um, you're very well spoken.
Speaker 1:So it's been, I think, three months for us since we've been back on, or so, uh, because my house is being rebuilt, so that's why we haven't been doing the podcast, but studio's up and going now. So, anyways, let's get this started. I do want to see what you guys kind of think about what happened yesterday. There's a lot we can talk about here. So, let's be real, we could probably go for hours. We're going to try and keep this to about 20, 30 minutes, but Donald Trump being shot? It seems like it was a young guy on a roof and I'll just give you my quick opinion. I think he was absolutely protected and saved by God's grace straight up, because that could have been pretty bad. There's always different ways to think of this, like it was a psyop or it was staged, but I do think that the Secret Service failed yesterday.
Speaker 3:It didn't do well.
Speaker 1:So I'll let you guys kind of take it from there. You tell me your thoughts on yesterday. It's pretty wild.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, I mean, yeah, we actually just got back home and was getting ready to jump in the pool with the kids and my wife was like, oh my God, god, there was a shooting at the trump rally. And then it was like, oh my god, donald trump got shot. I'm like what? Like uh, okay, you know what I mean like it just at first, and then, so it's like obviously, grab the phone and then, yeah, I missed a bunch of calls and texts and, um, so, you know, it was kind of early on in it too, so they didn't know who.
Speaker 3:It was A lot of little bit of information that wasn't out there, but I don't know if I'm being honest, like I got really like mad. You know, like my initial reaction was like what the you know? And again, right, whether it's like you said, you know, because I'm sure like it's all conspiracy, psyop, running, you know, doj, depending on where you stand politically and how you've been following a lot of stuff with Trump. Um, you know, or it's either way or it was just a crazy person, but that was my. My first thought process was like I have a little bit of like SWAT background and like just having been involved with a couple things to like understand the thoroughness of prepping an area and making sure the security checks and especially high ground on everything. I mean, I'll leave my personal experience out of it as far as what it was for it was about for high-profile people, that it was very, very, very covered, you know. So to have someone like Trump, whether you know again, is it too polarizing? Not, you know, there's always a lot of people that seem to show up at the, the rallies and support, and I personally just figured I'm like man, the security detail has got to be insane on these things.
Speaker 3:So, as this was kind of coming out, it was like, you know, like there's a couple of videos of people saying like, yeah, we saw someone crawling on there and we were screaming for law enforcement to come over and it, you know. And again, when people say five minutes, it could easily have been a minute, you know, because sometimes in these moments times move so slow, you know. So it's like you know, it's like you got to keep a little bit of leeway, but either way, you know, to have someone, it's like, okay, they crawled up on there, they had to get in position, I'm assuming they either had to put their gun together, or how did they get that in? Or was it sewed away? There's a lot of questions in there where you're just like man, you know whether it was on purpose or not.
Speaker 3:I mean the security detail looks like they dropped the ball. I mean they were able to like at least shoot back quick and I got some questions, especially for you, chris, when it comes to watching some of those videos. But either way, it was just a crazy situation and kind of a whirlwind of emotions for me, at least personally, because I'm like thinking, oh my God, is this? You know, I mean I text you like Tim, I was like dude, we were. That was like a half inch away from like, in my opinion, like a potential civil war or something starting you know, you know.
Speaker 3:so, either way, I'm personally, I'm glad he's okay and my heart goes out to the, the person that got killed, because there was one that is kind of gets overlooked a little bit in all of this, but there was. You know there's a bystander in the crowd that got shot and is now dead you know it's like look politics, are politics right?
Speaker 1:I, I mean, I may be a democrat, you guys may be a republican, or you could be green party, I could be libertarian. Whatever, we should be able to agree to disagree or agree to agree and shake hands and find somewhere to meet in the middle. Nobody should die over politics, not in the United States. I mean how this country was fought and bought for with blood of our you know, let's be real our ancestors, the people that found this country was a high price, even to this day. Chris, you served in the military. I grew up in a military home. You have seen firsthand the sacrifices for our freedoms. I really think that it's been taken for granted. I hate to say this, but probably have had it too good for too long.
Speaker 1:Nobody should go to a rally and be killed. To me I'm just kind of like what in the heck is happening with our country? It's sad. You have a great point, jordan. I think we know Trump got shot and there's amazing photos which I'm going to put up on here. But what about the civilian who's just there to hang out, maybe with family, friends and support Trump? You know that's a sad thing. I would bet Trump is probably going to send some money their way and pay for funeral costs or something like that. I guarantee he'll probably do that. Yeah, I can definitely see that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. I think with the civilian I had a conversation. So the way I found out yesterday, I was on a thread with a bunch of veterans yesterday that I studied film with at film school and one of the younger guys Trump got almost trump was, uh, there was a attempted assassination on trump and I was like, hmm, he's kind of one of those guys where you question everything you hear. So I was like I look it up really quick, don't see anything, and I'm like, hey, man, let's keep politics out of this thread. That's what I, that's what I said, because it's it's a very diverse thread with about like 20 individuals, right, and it's a group chat.
Speaker 2:It's a group chat, right, yeah, so I'm constantly looking the next 10 minutes looking for something. I can't find anything and I don't have the TV on, so I'm just searching, googling, and nothing pops up. So I don't think anything of it. But then 30 minutes later, ding, ding, ding, start getting notified. I'm just searching, Googling, and nothing pops up, so I don't think anything of it. But then the 30 minutes later, ding, ding, ding start getting notified. I'm like, oh, wow, okay, something did happen. Still didn't realize he was shot in the ear, like you, like Jordan, like Jordan said, half inch away from a civil war, right, like that's. I think that was a huge point, right there. And then then find out that you know he's shot in the ear.
Speaker 2:And then I start seeing the playback and, um, immediately started thinking about the civilian right, that was kind of like an afterthought. So hopefully, you know god, you know peace goes out to their family, um, you know, hopefully, you know god can comfort them, um, but it's one of those things immediately I thought was like, wow, you shouldn't have been there. It was one of those things that I like, almost like when there's a victim of a drive-by shooting at a party in the hood, yeah, you know. But but because, honestly, that's where these political rallies have come, because there has been violence in the past. Right, there's fights that break out, there's a bit of a mob mentality and it could get disorderly really, really quick. And but all these events, there's usually a buttload of security. Buttload of security, right, Like out of nowhere security is coming. So to you guys' point I think Secret Service dropped the ball completely.
Speaker 2:I know I've been working in the government most of my adult life and I will say there's some incompetent people. Things don't run as smoothly as you think they would. But then you go behind the scenes, like you all see it, right, and the fire department it's like wait, like, oh, we just don't get paid automatically, no, somebody has to go, and like push a button, right. So maybe someone, I don't know, maybe someone said, oh yeah, we swept up there, you know. Maybe someone's like, oh, oh, yeah, we checked it out already, but then it didn't happen. So, um, I think, uh, definitely erring on the side of like, uh, incompetence. That's where I would land on this initially. And then you and then looking at, okay, like looking at some of the other details and researching, I know you said Tim that you were looking.
Speaker 1:Look, you're doing a deep dive into twitter yesterday, dude. What did you find? Okay, so you know, I know twitter's changed to x and people are.
Speaker 1:You know, there's different feelings about it. Right, and to me it is the last place of free speech and, that being said, I would say, be careful when you go on there, because they show everything's still shown on there. I mean, there's a wild videos, people getting killed, like everything you could think of is still on Twitter. So, but at the, I would say, within the first hour of Trump being shot, like the news isn't going to put up a bunch of you know, civilian photos and videos and pictures Like they're going to. We would hope they they're gonna wait until they have the concrete evidence and know what exactly is happening before they say he's been shot, right, which I still think is being downplayed by mainstream media.
Speaker 1:Right now.
Speaker 1:They're saying different verbiage instead of being saying hey, he was shot at right but as soon as I yeah so I went on twitter and dude, like I said, said within the first hour there's dude, there's video of the Secret Service sniper capping this guy, right after, like you could see, the sniper was honed in on this dude and you see Trump speaking. He's turning his head and he's like looking up and then back in his scope, and then the guy fires and he goes back to scope and shoots him. Right. You're kind of like, well, wait a minute, what? Why didn't he pop that guy's nugget as soon as he saw him with a rifle?
Speaker 3:on the roof right that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3:Almost does it almost look like a, like there was like a, a moment of disbelief, okay like from the person like because it's like the profile shot and he's like, he looks up and then he goes back in and I think that's where, like, look, the reason why is going to be like. That's going to be up to whatever you're going to believe Psycho, person, psyop, let him do it, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, and I mean I don't know. I kind of think Trump's been persecuted quite a bit through this process. But you know, I think this is also a very extreme situation, right, and I lean towards the like just a just a catastrophic response to a very serious situation. Yeah, and but I think what's interesting is that we're seeing in a very short notice that everyone all of a sudden is a tactical expert. You know, everyone all of a sudden is like, oh, they dropped the ball.
Speaker 3:I mean, I just watched something that it was like and again, I'm not against some of the stances that I'm seeing, but I think it's ironic that, like things are being said so confidently that you know it's like dude you're, you're taking out the factors for human error completely and you know so. I mean, did they drop the ball? As far as not seeing someone in there? Yeah, but if you're scanning, like let's say you're a sniper, right or let's whatever it is like, if you say you're playing a freaking video game, dude, like if you're sitting on top and you're scanning an area, because this is your area that you're designated to to scan, because that's how this works, right, you're responsible for sections.
Speaker 3:That's how you break it down as far as span of control and things like that. Like you're telling me that, like you know, you've done this a hundred times and you've never seen someone playing with the gun back at you. And it doesn't mean you shouldn't react fast, it just means that split second of id'ing something and not either being like boom, pull the trigger, or what. The and then pull the trigger is the difference of someone getting a round off and in this case, obviously clipped the president's ear and took someone out and they responded fast to it. It's just like the amount of grief that's coming from it.
Speaker 3:I'm like, dude, I, you know I'm not a, I'm not a specialist, I'm not a sniper, I have no experience in that, I'm not the person for that job. But I also like and I know there's people out there that dedicate their life to this in their profession, and that's what we hope for because, like, when you made the comment about the fire service, I was actually explaining this to my wife. It was like, look, if you've been in the fire service for 15 years and let's say, you've promoted up the ranks and now you're in charge of a group, but you've never been on a real incident like a real bad one.
Speaker 3:That's a good point how is anyone expect you to? I mean, look you, you stimulate, you try the best you can, but when you actually see something in front of you and you're the one that's the shot caller. That's where the difference of people who are great and people who are just really good, trained people, come into hand. You know, not everyone's going to respond in the same way that we would hope that they do now, obviously. Yeah, I hope that the special sir or the Secret Service is like the elite of the elite. But when you're watching a group of gals in front of the motorcade fumble to put their guns back into their holsters, it's going to.
Speaker 3:It makes people and this isn't it. Look, I'd be freaking out.
Speaker 2:I'd probably piss my pants like if I'm being honest I'm not saying I'm a tough guy- at all, because I'm not.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying that like I would hope that they're hiring the tough people that can act in those moments, but again we're ruling out the fact that they're just, they're people you know. So, again, like there's so many ways that this is gonna go and like where my, my brain goes, versus how I feel about it in the moment, versus 10 minutes later after reading something, it kind of keeps fluctuating, you know, right, anyway, I think, jordan, like all your points, bro, like that's ground zero, like that's the place to start, right, where you like everything else could be true, right, like, but I don't think this, this, the snipers, who?
Speaker 2:a service agent, whoever he or whoever, I don't know what agency he works for, I don't think he knew what he was looking at, right, he did.
Speaker 2:He didn't know that was going to happen, he wasn't part of the.
Speaker 2:If there's some kind of play like op or false flag or stage or whatever, he didn't know right and um, and he, uh, and we could, we could play what sunday morning sniper, you know, oh, yeah, man, right, call duty, right like um, but at the end of the day, like you know, we, I think, uh, we can speak to someone's ineptus or, like you know, they stumbled, they dropped the ball, whatever it is, yeah, that happened, it was, it's on video, right, like he reacted, had a look, and then he's like no way, disbelief, let them, let me take the shot. So I think, like that is a fact, like that's something that we could all like go from and then like the conversation from there. I think we have to trace our way back to that point and then maybe we can find like a rational place and land somewhere like okay, maybe, like this is actually what happened right-wing friends who are on the right and they're just putting out a bunch of misinformation, disinformation, right Like, along with some really funny memes, that's right.
Speaker 1:They're the best memes dude the best.
Speaker 2:I know you have some on deck.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I know you're in the holster.
Speaker 2:And so there's I mean, there's just so much. I think, just as men of action who we are, like, men who've worked within the government, who who hold down jobs, who have families and support the community we live in, we always have, to like, remain rational and reasonable first and foremost, even if in just in public, in private, yeah, like, okay, like some's some crazy shit going on, I think for sure.
Speaker 1:You guys are right. If you think about it, you're. Okay, let's think about this. You're in the military, chris, right? Can you imagine me or Jordan coming in and let's just say, just because we've been in the fire service over 15 years in leadership quality, whatever you think, right, they say, hey, you're in charge of this battalion, take them into war, we're gonna fail we're. There's no experience there. There's nothing you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:like there's no less, there's a fire thumbs on fire, we're good yeah that just because you are what you are doesn't mean you're meant to lead a thousand people in the battle. True, true, the experience right.
Speaker 1:The experience there, and I mean those are such valid points because we can sit back and watch these videos. We were not there, okay, most of the people in America was not there, so I can't tell you what the person holding the phone or taking the pictures truly saw, right. So you, what the person holding the phone or taking the pictures truly saw, right. So, yeah, maybe it's those guys. First times you can have all that training, just like we do in the fire service. But until you actually start fighting fire and making rescues and cutting people out of cars, go to paramedic school, start you know, get, do you know doing cpr on people and giving medication, like you won't know. Until, as we call it, the rolodex, you're like, oh yeah, I remember, oh yeah, I remember, I've been on this, right, you can flip through like, okay, I've been on a person who's had a heart attack, I've been on a person who's broke a bone, I've run calls, or somebody was trapped in a car. I got to cut them out, right. But until you get those Rolodex, it's like yo, what?
Speaker 1:What I want to say about that is that's the human factor, right, you have to think about the human factor behind everything, right? We're not perfect people, even people in leadership or in the specialty programs like the Secret Service or in, you know, the Green Berets or Navy SEALs. They may be the top of the top, but they're still not perfect people. We still fail, right? That's one of the biggest things I tell people about, especially coming back to my faith. Right, the biggest issue I had with a long time ago is the people, the people in the church, the people, the leadership, right.
Speaker 1:And not understanding that they fail, they make mistakes, they stumble, just like I do. They still have problems, you know. So I think it's the biggest thing behind this. We won't until the investigation's over, we truly won't know, but there was a video that I did see where the did you see the guy get an interview with that trump 2024 hat on?
Speaker 3:with like the hair right. He was saying yeah, it was like that, like the the redhead, like ginger, yeah yeah, you guys saw that right where you say that that's not mean right, he's just yeah, there's a ginger baby.
Speaker 1:I think that.
Speaker 2:I think the hair's part of the hat right yeah yeah, no, it's part of that I wish I should have pulled it out so I could bring it up, if that really is his hair, though.
Speaker 3:He needs to get back on tv.
Speaker 1:That's pretty I don't know how much I believe him, but you guys remember what he's saying. He was saying we saw him up there. We were telling the police. There's a guy on the roof of that connex box where that little building was and they didn't really do anything right? So there's, there's still things in question where you're like huh, I don't know. So if you guys, you guys saw that video, what's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3:so, you know, like like you've run medic standby for like large events before, right, you know when, like a missing persons thing comes in, like so, or like a kid, like someone finds a kid wandering off and like it's a very common occurrence and uh, this is. This is obviously is not in the same level of severity. But what I mean is like when you have split groups of people that are in charge of different areas, the talking, the back and forth. There are other and again I'm not.
Speaker 3:When I explain this, I'm not trying to like make excuses, I'm just trying to put like, like, there's, there's the reality of how things work, right. So if you're in charge of a section and you're hearing, you know, let's say, there's a thousand people in your section, that's a thousand comments, that's a thousand things you're, you're constantly scanning, you're looking around, you're doing all this stuff and if you see some guy with a wacky hat on and he's screaming, hey, there's someone on the roof, I mean, how many times does someone say that?
Speaker 1:at every event.
Speaker 3:And again, it doesn't mean that you don't investigate that, because that is a very important thing to investigate. What I'm just saying is that when that guy's delivering the story and saying, hey, we were screaming and I think he used two to three minutes was the timeframe of what he was saying. Uh, for for that and and a very welcome. What he's saying is absolutely true. I'm not saying that he's making anything up you know, sometimes two to three minutes.
Speaker 3:Let's say it's 30 to a minute and a half of what the real time might have been. Or let's say it was that?
Speaker 3:either way, if that guy's streaming and for whatever reason, that uh officer or secret service member or security detail, whatever they were, if they were not in a good vantage point, if they looked up, didn see him, went right back to scanning. If there was, you know, or hey put the call out. Hey was someone saying there's something on top of the roof. Can you someone give me a quick check? Right? Does that quick check mean OK, there's 30 seconds to receive, 30 seconds to look, 30 seconds?
Speaker 3:to confirm 30 seconds to this. So now we're building a timeline of you know, no one's a superhero. We don't have supersonic speed, we just have gut intuition and an ability to respond to whatever is like reactive state right. So so I can see that all these things can be correlating as true. They could have been screaming, the cops could have been in the same time trying to figure out what that was. I have no idea how big the building was in relation to, like, my height. So if I was 20 feet away and this is 30 feet tall, I'm not seeing someone sitting in the center of this thing, you know.
Speaker 3:And if that means getting calls out and you think, that there's no traffic going on the radio, like we have very high tech stuff at our agency and we constantly get shut out on incidents when there's multiple things happening because people talking over each other oh my god, no, yeah, so there again, there's like there's human error, there's technology error and then there's maybe gut intuition, which is also human error, of like seeing something like these and that and I'm not dogging dude, that sniper took a crack shot in about a split second and apparently yeah he did his job.
Speaker 2:I wish I could take this shot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, you know. So it's like, again, it's just, it's a shitty situation. I think that they did the best they could do. They drop the ball with scanning and keeping out as tight perimeter. And or maybe, you know again, maybe it's the, the pre-scanning. Because, again, like, how'd this guy get in? How did he put his gun together? How was he able to crawl up aside, get in a position? Because that is not a, they said it was 146 yards, right, so one and a half football fields.
Speaker 3:And if anyone's ever shot a gun, even with the scope on it, you're not just going to pull that thing up and be able to sit into it that that guy was in a prone position. He moved into an advantageous spot to take a shot, right, so it did take time. So in that matter, it's like there's a lot of things going on. It's like, ok, so this guy missed out. People were yelling, they're trying to get confirmation.
Speaker 3:In the meantime, first shot goes out. Sniper responds it's over, right, well, if you listen to video, it sounds like there's like four or five shots. So I again, you know, maybe it's snipers shooting from different angles, because there's more than two people off the ground in these kind of situations. So, um, yeah, it just it's crazy and I think, like, like what you're saying, chris, it's like, at the end of the day, ground zero. This is where we're at now, the speculative reasoning behind it. That's what I'm assuming. In the next couple days we're going to get they. Uh, I forgot the kid's name is some 20 year old. Uh, that the names come out of who the shooter was not a lot of detail behind that, but here's where the stories are going to run right, was he?
Speaker 3:you know, because I saw something it was like, oh, he contributed to the biden campaign in 2020. You guys, you know, because I saw something it was like, oh he contributed to the Biden campaign in 2021.
Speaker 1:Oh, did you guys?
Speaker 3:You know I was like okay, was it 50 bucks or 100,000? I was like is he somewhere here?
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, more than me.
Speaker 1:I said, that's what he contributed, so just so you guys know I just pulled up the news and yes, people this is I pulled up Fox News, whatever. If people this is I pulled up fox news, whatever if you don't like it, whatever. The victim at the rally is a former fire chief. No way he was heroically shielded his wife and daughters from the bullets oh my god dude. God bless him, man. That's a man right there, dude, protecting his family, that's um, that's sad, that's it.
Speaker 2:Um, that is very sad dude.
Speaker 1:So now I want to play devil's advocate here.
Speaker 3:Gentlemen, let's do it.
Speaker 1:We all know like every conspiracy theory that has come out since like 2019, 2020, has pretty much been true. Right, we know that jfk was killed by the CIA.
Speaker 3:Oh man, we're going here. I don't know that.
Speaker 2:I just want to throw it out there.
Speaker 1:I just want to throw it out there because, look, you're in the military. Chris Jordan and I both love conspiracy theories, but let's be very honest right now, donald Trump is a massive threat to the Democratic Party and to the big three-letter word agencies. Right, cia, FBI there's a few others, right? He wants to IRS, irs. He wants to clean them out because they were all backing Biden and all the illegal, whatever stuff they were doing. Right? So he wants to clean house. So he wants a clean house. When you start going after those three, those big three letter agencies like that, I would say you might want to watch out if they got the balls to kill Kennedy.
Speaker 3:I don't know. So that's so funny. I was just talking to my wife about this like literally right before I logged in, so I was all fired up. I'm fascinated with the JFK stuff, uh, just because and again, I'm not I'm not saying a particular group did it, I just think there was more than one person involved, and I'm I kind of fall under the Lee Harvey Oswald didn't act alone, uh thought process in it, and only because of a lot of information that has come out. Well, after the fact. You know you can build the argument like you're like. You're saying like like most notable thing or one of the most notable there's a lot of things that happened.
Speaker 3:But with JFK, right, fired the lead, the head of the CIA, yeah, who ended up becoming the lead on his autopsy. But but again, right for differentials of opinion of where we wanted to be utilizing our military outside of a potential conflict, directly with the United States. That's the big thing, right. We go to the Bay of Pigs, we go to the issues with Cuba, we go coming off the Korean War and then not wanting to engage with Vietnam, right. So take that for whatever you want. Conflict of interest also threatened to, you know, change things up, ends up getting assassinated, and then the story gets wide after that. So to say that the potential possibility of wanting to get Trump out of there, I think is absolutely a potential.
Speaker 3:You know, now, to the extent of assassination, I don't know, man, a lot of weird things happen and you know I mean my first thought is that, like, I'm like, oh, this is, I can't believe this.
Speaker 3:But then it's like, okay, you also have to understand. Like, if you're and I'll play the devil's advocate for this also as far as, like, if you're looking at it from the other party's angle, is the point to potentially start a civil war worth it? Is it truly worth it, not, not? Is it like, oh, we'll show them, because I mean again I was talking about this yesterday a little bit of saying, like man, what a ploy this could be to do an attempted assassination, to try to fire up the extreme right wing people to do something crazy right before the election happens so that you can be like, hey, even though Biden is a babbling idiot, in my opinion he's still going to be a better set than the propagating potential of someone you know that can rally up people that are willing to do crazy shit right so like as far as, like looking at it from the other side of it.
Speaker 3:But then the reality of that is it's like, yeah, okay, that could make sense, but I don't think that it's going to be like just rallying up a couple of folks that do some crazy stuff. I'm talking like you have a massive group of people that if there was talk of a I know the quote, unquote civil war or whatever, that would even look like like I don't think that that's something that either side wants to happen. You know, truly, because now we're talking about loss of absolute control of, of governing power. You know, and I and I think that we put a lot of faith and hope in our government systems and military for protection. But if the United States really decided to be like, hey, we're gonna do this, I don't think that it really matters a whole lot, because we have so many people here that even if we had 700,000 military folks that were trying to disarm people, there's enough blowback that it would be catastrophic for both parties. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, what did the Japanese say in World War II, why they didn't really try to invade America? I think the quote was they have more guns than they do blades of grass.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There'll be a lot of bodies in the street right with the civil war, like I think that that's my take on it, that's why I don't want it to happen, that's why I'll do anything for it not to happen. Uh, I don't want to. I don't want my neighbor to fight against. I don't want to see neighbor against neighbor or, you know, brother against brother, father against son, and that's what it would be like Block against block. It would be insane, right Like this urbanized giant nation going head to head right and this assassination attempt because that's what it was has the even the attempt, he doesn't even have to die. Has the even, you know the temp, he doesn't even have to die. That temp has the ability to cause unrest. Right like that, on that, on that, on that degree, and um, like you were saying jordan, like there's the devil's advocate, it's a, it's a you could. It's like did, did the right, did the left set this up to incite violence at the end of right. So the right looks like they're insane. So we look like we're moderate and like we're going to keep the. The point is that we're we're not going to like allow like a civil war to happen Right and violence in the street. So I could definitely see that.
Speaker 2:I think, um my initial like conspiracy, like gremlin, as I like to call him, he's in there. He's in there and he's just just like he's clawing away right like at reason and rational thought, but uh, at the same time he's connecting dots, like like that are like insane right. So, like my initial thought, uh was like some type of false false flag operation because man, just one, he, he got shot in the head and didn't die. That's like remarkable, remarkable right, like again an inch to the right, he's done right and like maybe centimeters to the right and um, so uh, I think, um, I was like okay, false flag, garner support, he's got 34, what 34 counts? That he's still facing.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, like, like, let's. He's a thug, he's a gangster. Yeah, yeah, for sure, let's maybe a little wag the dog Right, let's take the spotlight somewhere else. This fool is gangster. He survived an assassination attempt. They got, they got the media. You know he's over there with his fist up.
Speaker 1:Let's get one of the greatest pictures of all time going on, drop this in here.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna make a t-shirt with that.
Speaker 2:He's like yeah, with the gangster glasses and the joint dude.
Speaker 1:You can't tell me how thug that is, dog the composition alone right, it's a great photo.
Speaker 3:It's a super good photo.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen that one yet dude, I mean that's the principal advisory, but dude, like that, you know what, chris. You said it to me before we started. I don't know if one yet. Dude, I mean that's the principal advisory, but dude, like that, you know what, chris. You said it to me before, before we started. I don't know if you want to remember and speak on that, but you know if I was in his situation the second that bullet whizzed by my ear and I fell to the ground.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I would have the wherewithal to get up and throw my fist up and say fight. He knew exactly what he was doing. That's a powerful man. If you want to speak on that dude.
Speaker 2:No, I just like we were talking like he knew exactly what he was doing, he chose, like he, he took the moment and he made the best of it. And because he's that type of person, right, he's, he's adaptable, he's, he's constantly thinking on his feet, he's a businessman, he, um, he knows how to uh make something uh and bring it to his side, to his um can't think of the word right now, uh, advantage and uh, he totally was right there in the moment. And for that I, I, I have like admiration for, just as the, the celebrity that the tv star that he is right to just be in the frame of mind to like, hey, fight, fight like do you guys see this?
Speaker 2:look at this thing.
Speaker 1:Oh my god that picture, right there is gonna be in history books. That dude, that's chris 100. That is, oh gosh, I'm trying to cuss, but that's some real shit.
Speaker 3:It is, that's hard. You know, I mean, like you're saying, chris, is like the kind of the vibrato of being able to turn something that I mean look, if I got clipped in the ear when I was speaking, I'd probably be crying on the ground.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 3:I'm kind of painting myself as a picture, like I'm not a real strong guy, but I don't think that's true. But I'm just being honest, like I've never been shot at and, uh, I would think like, or at least in that split second of being like, oh, my God, what am I doing? Yeah, you know, like is everyone okay around me, like you know, I just got shot in the ear, you know, but like to get up and be like we're not good, nice, try, buddy. You know, like that kind of thing, like I don't know it is, it doesn't do anything but press his marketing up.
Speaker 3:And I mean, i's already been kind of going in an upward trajectory, even after all the, the money things with Stormy Daniels, although I did see and this was from a comedian, mark Norman, so this is not from me but he posted a tweet that said now we've both been shot in the face, and it said, quote Stormy Daniels oh, it was, the timing was not very nice, but I thought, I thought, damn, that was hilarious. Uh, that's, you know, I may. Obviously, you know he's okay, so I guess it makes it better. But, um, I mean, dude, just either way, we witnessed a uh, you know, a very historical event, you know. I mean there's a lot of crazy shit that's been going on in the last few years and a lot of stuff building up to the election. I think everyone is aware that election season is going to be nuts and scandals and debacles and kind of crazy things. I mean they do.
Speaker 3:They happen with every election season. Now, this one happens to be a pretty crazy one. This one happens to be a pretty crazy one, and especially coming off the debate and how Joe Biden sounded and then it just it's nuts. It's sad as an American, I think, to think that we're in that kind of situation where this can happen and, in all honesty, dude whether it was Trump or biden or anybody, you know, it's like look, I can, I. I do not like joe biden at all, I'm not a fan, but he's the president and I'll respect that and but it doesn't mean that I want to see him get shot. It doesn't mean that I want to see anybody that I have any political like that.
Speaker 3:I disagree on that. It's worth, you know, having someone publicly being murdered. You know that's. That's not OK. I thought we're a better country than that, you know. I mean, look look at the elections that just happened in Mexico. You know the lady that won was like the 25th candidate that wasn't murdered over the last two years. That was running in opposition of the presidency down there, oh wow.
Speaker 3:Now that's extreme. It's very extreme, and I'm not saying we're anything like that, but we definitely open the door to that kind of shit when we allow this to happen here. Yeah right.
Speaker 3:And I think we're better than that. I know we're better than that, I know we're better than that. And all the political discourse and firing people up, whether you're for it or against it, you know, at the end of the day, going back to like what you said, tim, like there has to be some kind of civil, like understanding, and that's really easy to say right now. It's super easy. You know. Someone's not screaming in my face, telling me that I'm an idiot and using all the backyard words that normally lead into a fight. But at the end of the day, you got to be stronger than the keyboard in front of you. And because some people write some mean on there doesn't mean that everyone feels that way about it, and there's a lot more people that are in the middle that can be able to rationalize stuff. Even if we do disagree at the root cause of it, we can still talk to each other and that's what it's about.
Speaker 3:And you know, I'm hoping that this pendulum of insanity can kind of swing back towards the center a little bit, you know, because it's never going to be perfect. I don't think anyone expects it to be Well. Actually it's probably not true. Probably a lot of people expect that. But but you know, the reality of it is that we need to get back to a little bit more of a civil discourse about things and I I hope that maybe this shakes it up enough to where people start going like ah man, I might hate this mfr, but you know I don't want to see him die, you know that's not okay.
Speaker 2:You don't want to see what happens if he dies. Right, well, like it's not worth it's not worth you.
Speaker 2:Oh man, I wish he was pushing up daisies, right, like I, you know. But we don't like what will occur. People aren't thinking that even far ahead, right, because they're so just like you said, like the keyboard, the screen, it's just right in front of them and they're just responding to stimuli, right, boom, boom, boom all day, every day, and, um, I think, uh, going back to like the, the, the conspiracy part of it, false flag on either side, right it was, if it was an incident that was orchestrated to manipulate public perception okay.
Speaker 1:So either way, um can you explain to people, just so they know who is for people who don't know what false flag means you have like a just so they know, for people who don't know what false flag means.
Speaker 2:You have like a short just so they know what you're talking about when you say false flag. Okay, yeah, how would I explain that? Yeah, I think yeah.
Speaker 1:Like a fake assassination yeah.
Speaker 2:False flag is a covert operation designed to deceive the public. Right, operation designed to deceive the public. Got it Right. And there's another term. It's called wag the dog is, when you know, usually the dog's wagging the tail, but instead the tail is wagging the dog. So you're looking. So there's a lot of political terms and I think the term originates from a naval operations like a flying false colors, right and to deceive enemy ships. Okay, and it's um, so usually performed by one group or part of the government, um, but appears to be done by another. So, um, a lot of the people, a lot of right, uh, right wing conspiracy theories, theorists about the when they talk about the school shootings and things like that, they, uh, they claim it to be, uh, false flag operations as well right, yeah right.
Speaker 3:Just it's like an incident used to propagate a uh, basically, whether it's like support or like to or to create opposition, right and just justify it, justify a particular course of action because something happened right.
Speaker 2:Oh, school shootings, let's take away the guns, like that's the uh right, yeah, create something to solve the problem right, exactly it was like the first thing that popped up in my head.
Speaker 3:It was like the iraq war, like like weapons of mass destruction, right like oh, we found them. Guys are over here and they're like well yeah, this place seemed like they wouldn't be good if they had a bunch of nukes speaking of iraq, it makes me think of bush.
Speaker 2:Um, I mean, that dude did dodge two shoes that one time oh, that's right, that's right I remember that yeah, dude, you can't do it left right dude and then trump's like let me put my shoes on. I don't know, maybe there's a connection.
Speaker 3:Maybe there's a connection, my gremlin, my conspiracy dude, that was like, or that was the whole. That was when reagan, when the balloon popped and he was like you missed me yeah, oh yeah out of nowhere you know, I was like, oh, but that was after the assassination attempt.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, well, chris, I mean chris dude, there's one thing what for you? Because I love how you texted me when this happened. I was texting Jordan and then you didn't even say did you hear what happened? This and that you said PSYOP, false flag. Like you gave me all the scenarios, Like what do you think it is?
Speaker 2:Right right Loan shooters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what was your initial reaction? And like what do you think? Do you think false flag, I mean, could it be Joe Biden CIA, you know? I mean, could it be Joe Biden CIA, you know?
Speaker 2:right. Right, I mean, who knows better than the government and the people within the government how incompetent people within the government are? Right? So, going back to ground zero of where we were, where we begin the conversation, is someone dropped the ball, did they? And did they? Did they take advantage of that? You know, if, like, that's what would have to happen, right, someone would have to know like, hey, this person sucks at, like checking the perimeter, or like this and this, or like they're going to turn and you can walk behind them, and so, like there's a lot of groups and a lot of people involved, it would take, I mean, it would take a lot of people and it would take a lot of people in the know and within the agencies, or, like I think I mentioned, like, or just some dude who just like crime of passion.
Speaker 1:It could be as simple as that.
Speaker 2:He's like I can climb up on this roof right here. I got a gun in the car. I could take that shot.
Speaker 1:No one's checking it out. What's that saying? They always say, right, the safest place to be is in the heart of the lion's den. They wouldn't suspect you to be there.
Speaker 2:Right yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, and it's like again, whether it's whether it's the PSYOP or there was multiple people involved with maybe, whether it's saying, let's say, it's looking past something right To allow something to take place, Exactly Half something take place and then half the people well, let's say it doesn't have to be half, it could be like three people, it could be the people that were hey, you're in charge of this area and that guy looks away. You know which? I'm sure there's going to be some investigation on multiple aspects of this, like a crazy amount.
Speaker 3:So this is there's going to be so much stuff coming out and then you're going to see, like, dude, give it, give it a week. You're gonna see every person that's on the Secret Service. You're gonna see who their campaign donors are. You can see who they've only has any post that come up.
Speaker 3:They're gonna take this and they're gonna split it as much as possible to either push that up or knock it down. The idea of there being a good inside job, right, funding. I've already seen it today with um that there was requests, like two weeks ago, to beef up the secret service uh, uh, people for Trump's, you know rallies and that got shot down from up top. Now I got shot down by a democratic person, um, and that doesn't mean and I'm not saying that that means they're in on it. What I'm saying is that the storyline is going to keep pushing. It's going to and it's going to get pushed from both sides. Whether it was, you know, the gunman acted alone.
Speaker 3:But I thought I heard a pretty compelling not compelling, but definitely something that would say that this could lean more to a crazy person who happened to get extraordinarily lucky to be in the position, who happened to get extraordinarily lucky to be in the position, and it was. The comment was that it's only a matter of time, when you paint somebody as a hitler fascist, that someone's going to feel like empowered enough to do something crazy to take this person out. And I sat on that for a second, because at first it was like it's almost like I've kind of become numb to hearing like, oh, trump's hitler, trump's a fascist, trump's a hitler fascist, he's a nationalist. It's fat, all this stuff right. And it's like is it that I've become used to hearing that? So I don't think of it as such. I'm like, well, that's aggressive. You know, I'd be like I'm not I don't think joe biden's stalling.
Speaker 3:I don't think that he's mao. I don't think that he's a, you know, an absolute communist like ruler. You know there's a lot of socialists. What's that? Just an old dude just an old dude who can't talk I don't even think honestly, I don't even think joe biden's the problem. He's just a sock puppet at this point. But uh, but either way, whatever the organization, the people that he has around him, it doesn't, it doesn't matter what matters is when we use rhetoric and we use ways of of describing people.
Speaker 3:It's it goes back to uh, oh my gosh, uh, he was a nazi official. Garbles garbles he has a he has a famous quote that if you tell somebody a lie long enough, they're going to believe it. And I and I, and I, and I think there's a lot of truth to that, because, well, you know, look at what we're doing right now.
Speaker 3:We have the ability to get on here and talk to people and reach out to people that maybe are interested not interested, learning, supporting, against whatever. But we're, you know, we have the ability to say stuff at our level here. You know, we're not talking about mass media. We're not talking about, you know, take whatever tv show on there, that's for or against something. But when, as a public, when we're sitting here watching this because that's what we're addicted to, right, the knowledge, the news, the entertainment, all this stuff, when we hear something, enough it may be, you know, it doesn't click with everybody in the same way, but I was like, using that example it's like I've heard, like when I for used to hear people call Trump Hitler, I'd be like you're an idiot, dude you know how bad.
Speaker 3:Hitler was. You're putting him in that category, like you may not like this person, but calling someone what I would consider one of the most evil people that existed, like that's a pretty crazy comparison. But then if you go on, maxine waters is slinging that term like it's no big deal.
Speaker 2:You have other people in the house, on the floor of the senate, right, yeah?
Speaker 3:exactly, and there's no ramification from it. So so as a viewer, you kind of get numb to that. You get numb to it, or at least maybe. Or plants a seed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I believe that it's a political hyper, her, probably, her, probably right statements and claims that aren't made, that aren't meant to be taken literally. But we live in a world today where the common person is taking everything literally, right and um, and it's uh, it's just like you used to use rhetoric, right, it's a rhetorical device. Often it's just used by politicians and commentators and pundits these days, where they're just using it to fire us up and you're like, hey, it may not land over here, it might not land right there, but it's going to land on the margins. And then those people on the margins are the one. Either way, super staunch supporters are super staunch distractors. They're going to take it up and they're going to run with it, and I think that's what we've seen.
Speaker 2:And maybe this young man who shot at Trump was one of those people on the left, you know, and he's like, oh, and he believes, he's believing everything, right, he's, he's, he's Hitler, he's, he's a fascist, like you said and you know, and then was it Project 2025? Right, reading about that. Fired up about that, yeah, fired up on on on every, every side. So I think, um, as I move forward, especially in life, but in this political season, uh, uh, season, um, I'm just like an extreme moderate. That's the. I'm an extremist. I'm an centrist, like I don't. I don't care what you have to say about that, or are that? What's it going to take for to keep my firefighters in their firehouse so they can fight the fires that happen in my neighborhood? What's it gonna? What's it gonna take for the garbage? Uh, disposal Engineers?
Speaker 3:yeah, you know what's it gonna take for all these services to continue to happen for the. That's a really good job.
Speaker 2:You only work once a week.
Speaker 3:Those people are funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what's it going to take for all these services to continue to happen, for the lights to stay on, for the hospitals to stay open, for schools to keep taking students in, for the roads to get repaved Like. That's what I care about and that's what I'm going to be voting for, from city level, municipal level, county, state and all the way up to federal level, and I think maybe this might be a time for moderates to finally stand up and centrists to finally freaking grow. I think there is a backbone, but it's like you know what. It's just my personality type, right? I'm not going to go out in the streets to say anything. I'm not going to go to a political rally. That's just not who I am. That's not my personality type. But at the same time, those are the people who are gonna like we're the ones like samson freaking holding those, like holding that shit together. Right? If it wasn't for for us, like everything will fall apart, everything but we get hate we get hate from both sides.
Speaker 3:We're getting hate Exactly we have poop flowing out of us. Oh, you're not that. Yeah, you're like wait, hold on just a second. You're like to say that there isn't arguments for both sides of the aisle to me is ludicrous.
Speaker 3:There's no extremes of either, because one extreme creates problems, the other extreme creates problems, the other extreme creates problems. The answer truly is always in the middle. Unfortunately, the political system seems to propagate both sides as we're splitting, but I think the majority of people is exactly what you're saying. They are centrist, because there's very few people that live in an environment where one is the perfect situation and that goes for either side, because it doesn't exist.
Speaker 3:Well, I've asked you the perfect situation, and that goes for either side, because it doesn't exist Unless. Well, I've asked you. The only commonality on that is if you're rich, then you're okay.
Speaker 2:You're okay.
Speaker 3:Because it truly doesn't matter who wins your life doesn't ever change, it's never really impacted. It's so true and that's why I feel like you can see rich people stand on either side of the aisle and just propagate things, because they feel so strongly, because they're not they're not the middle class, lower middle class, they're not those people that everything that does change absolutely affects you yeah, and that's why, like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So that's like, when we get into all this kind of stuff, it's just like I hope one day that you're right, I hope they actually started a party and call it the middle state or the middle ground or the middle side, because I would jump into that, like, because I don't, I'm not super right, I'm not left, I'm not this, I'm right in the middle. Because you know, there's like we live in a dynamic society. There isn't one way that works out for everybody. We have to have differences of, you know whether it's location, area, you know, socioeconomical stuff, like everything changes. So it's like to think that there's only one way is bad. But when we have these pillars of our government are just constantly slinging the craziest, shittiest, yet each other, you know it's like dude, you are gonna spur up a psychopath out there. I mean, look, you mentioned the school shootings earlier. Right, there's, there's way too many of them and it's disgusting and all this stuff and the fact that any child is in danger of going to school to learn. I can't, I can't understand why it even happens.
Speaker 3:But those people that do it, you know whether it's, you know, I mean I feel like they're all mentally unstable, but whatever category that falls under, call it whatever you want to call it, but somewhere on the line they feel vindicated because of it, and that's what pushes you to be able to follow through with something. So if it's, you know, like, say the one, what was the Texas one? There was a trans person or a non-binary, whatever it was. Okay. Whatever the reason was, it's not a good enough reason to do it. So let's, I just want to say that. But whatever it is that triggers them in their head, whether it's, they're like oh, I listened to so and so and they said I feel like this and I'm absolutely allowed to feel like this, and these people hate you for feeling like this.
Speaker 3:If you eventually hear that long enough, there are going to be some people that break and do something fucking nuts, and this applies to all these crazy things. So again, right, because we started detracting. Is it a coordinated effort? Lone person? At the end of the day, it could be both, who knows, but it sucks to hear it and it's terrible that we're going through it and I just I wish people would like do due diligence and maybe read a bit more on things and instead of just hearing something for face value, because your favorite TV personality said it was true, doesn't mean that it's actually true. And that goes for both sides of everything. And you know, when you take the time to research some stuff and maybe understand things, maybe that can be like the hey, even though I feel crazy about something, I'm not going to go fucking murder.
Speaker 2:Right, right. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:And again there's a. There's a fucking stretch. Sorry, I thought I wasn't ever going to cuss it all out. I love the passion baby, no, no no, but you know and again Extreme moderate, extreme moderate right here, yeah, but see, dude, you can't say that, because then all of a sudden I'll be like on the no fly list, dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, this guy.
Speaker 3:We're not, because you know what. You're not sure what they're going to do.
Speaker 2:That's why they hate us. That's why they hate us.
Speaker 3:Because they hate us, because you're the most dangerous. We're the most dangerous.
Speaker 2:You're not predictable. We think for ourselves. I'm unpredictable, we don't fit a map right.
Speaker 2:We don't fit a freaking plot. They can't plot our movement. And it's so important, I think, because, as they're trying to shape our public opinion right, they're like we don't need them. We just need the people who are going to whine the loudest, complain the loudest, be willing to do something like that's out of the ordinary, right, like shoot at a rally or even go to a rally.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you guys have been to a rally. I've never been to a rally. I've never been to a rally. Yeah, I don't see myself going to a rally ever. I hate standing around. I hate, I hate standing in line and waiting. I'm not, I don't mean to go to the concerts, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm not that. I just I'm not going to do that. But.
Speaker 2:But I think what, what we all have in common is we're going to do what we have to do every day to support ourselves and our families and be contributing members of this sickness that we all have called life on earth. You know, we're out here just trying to exist at the end of the day and I think, uh, what certain people need to like, you don't need to like some people like, oh, I need to understand this more, I need to do a deep dive into this or that. It's like maybe it's so you don't have to understand. Maybe it's okay not understanding what's going's like. Maybe it's you don't have to understand. Maybe it's okay Not understanding what's going on. It's because it's so underst, not understandable, it's just none of it's going to make sense. And then you're just going to drive yourself crazy and can start connecting dots that aren't even there and then you form an opinion that's dangerous.
Speaker 2:Next thing, you know you're you're vulnerable to grooming, you know from the proud boys from the, you know anti-antifa, you know. And the thing is like it's not even you, it's not even your own opinion, it's not even something that came out from like, from the depths of your soul, because you haven't even done the introspective work that's necessary to like form, like your own thought on life, necessary to like form, like, like your own thought on life. So I think, uh, certain people, not certain people, I think all of us just need to take a step back and uh and uh, take measure of what's valuable to us in our lives and then go from there. But, um, certain people, just they don't. Maybe they don't have, maybe that's a privilege we have, maybe it is.
Speaker 2:You know we're not. You know like survival is not. We're not living in survival mode, we're not making decisions out of scarcity. I've been there, I've grown up like that and it's a it's not. It's not a fun place to be. So I can understand how like people are, like you know, like how paramount certain issues can be to them, um, but at the end of the day, just stay home, stay home.
Speaker 3:Well, I would definitely recommend that for anyone who is contemplating something crazy.
Speaker 3:You know, like you're better off staying at home than going out and being in participating in something where you feel like you're going to get riled up to the point of doing something that you're going to regret.
Speaker 3:Now, you know, and then again and I like what you said, dude, because, like and that's a very true statement it's like sometimes, you know, I always I don't want to sound contradictory I always like kind of tell people, like, do your own research. You know, like, look at it. And when I say do your own research, I like look at it. And when I say do your own research, I mean like, whatever you think, if you're reading something and you agree with it, try to find something in opposition of it and convince yourself that that opposition isn't strong enough to change your opinion. I like that now and I know, and I know that, like, having that mindset on things is not common, like, or isn't as common as it should be, and that would alleviate a lot of problems, but I think the root issue with what a lot of what we're talking about is is that it doesn't equate to entertainment value.
Speaker 3:It doesn't enter, it doesn't come up as like you know, like unless well, hell yeah, dude, it's not a moneymaker. That's why there's no extreme centrist group. That is successful.
Speaker 1:We're boring.
Speaker 3:If you had a bunch of people come up and try to talk about things rationally, you would get the lowest ratings of all time, because then you'd be like I agree and actually disagree with that statement. Here's why.
Speaker 1:Here's what I agree with. Here's what I don't. It's not sensational.
Speaker 3:No one's going to want to hear that. And then the counter is like oh, that's a good point. Well, I'll take that into consideration.
Speaker 2:moving forward, I think that I'm going to do civil discourse right. You might get eight people that are your family members that tuned in. That's it.
Speaker 3:You know. So it is one of those things where you know like that and I don't know how that's going to change we're on like the. It's like this next generation that we're a part of right now. It's like most information's coming through 30 second reels, right, and even though, like, if you're, you know, maybe like our age, right, I think we're in the kind of category that if I saw something crazy in a reel, I'd be like whoa, that's weird. Let me look into that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no man there's no way.
Speaker 3:But think about it. I mean, we kind of live a part of this like headline status society, where if you read the blurb of the headline, that maybe is what you told eight people that day and it's like, oh, do you know? Joe Biden's a lizard person, you know? His eyes moved around in that one time.
Speaker 1:You know now, I'd read that and be like what? There's lizard people? No way, it's so true, right? Most people I see it on Facebook all the time right, they only read the headline and then repost it without reading it. And I remember somebody did that right to prove a point. He put the headline like President Trump loves the Lord, right, or something like that. Right, something just super simple. President Trump's a Christian. And then you go in and it's an article just talking trash on Joe Biden. That's all. It was dude and it was shared. I think it was shared like 800 times, wow.
Speaker 1:Right and then the people I saw sharing it, they're like see, he's a Christian guy, he loves God.
Speaker 3:It's like you didn't even read the article, dude it's not even about that, right, and and it's just gonna get more and more. I mean, dude, I remember when the when the internet first started to become like more, like, hey, utilize the information on the internet to help you write like reports and stuff, because I think I was a senior in high school and that's when, like, dial up and net zero and all that stuff you guys remember that, oh yeah, but I remember I had a teacher that said like hey, be careful using certain websites because it may not be what you think it is.
Speaker 3:And the example that they used was when Wikipedia first came out. And if you did because I was writing a book report on martin luther king jr. And if you go to the bottom of where the, where the, you know the site source information was from dude, it was from a website generated by the clan. Oh, it's where they pulled all the information. Now, if you read through that, there was nothing that was written that like made Martin Luther King look bad. It was. He looked like a advocate for civil rights and had. It was very descriptive, all that stuff. But at the bottom, if you click the link, it took you to a Klan link.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the irony of that, dude, that's just so ironic dude no diet, yeah, right.
Speaker 3:Well, a hundred percent. But in that, in that, it's, like you know, and that was in the like early days of it, yeah right, so it just gets more and convoluted. And I'm not saying everything on the internet's lie, it's not. There's a lot of good stuff out there, but there's also a ton of crazy shit and a ton of stuff that isn't true. Also, you know, and this is this is the societal battle that we're gonna constantly have over and over and over again, unless we can get some rational speaking people in there to be able to, you know, stand for the side or to the center or whatever. But I think that, like, the number one thing is rationality and we have gotten very far away from that, I think, from both political spectrums. And you know we listed the reasons of why it's not popular, because it's not.
Speaker 3:But the hopes is that, you know, we just had a crazy, crazy, crazy thing happen yesterday and, if anything, hopefully it wakes a couple people up. That can be like whoa dude, like you know, I got a Trump is Hitler sticker on the back of my car. Maybe I could take that off or maybe I have, you know, I mean, dude, I remember seeing, like Obama posters with the Hitler mustache on it and stuff. It's like, look, dude, none of that, shit's okay. I mean, there's a difference between having satirical comedy value and propagation of you know kind of extremeness and the hope is, is that one day right, someday, like it's?
Speaker 3:Eventually you're gonna be like yo dude, this is crazy, we can't be doing this. We can't be shooting at people, be shooting at people. I mean, yeah, you know I may not agree with this person, but I wish them the best. I'm going to do the best to educate people around me for whatever political stances that I have, and then it's going to go to vote and that's where the democracy side of our republic is created off of. So, you know, at the end of the day I'm glad, I'm glad trump's good, but I feel horrible for the person that was shot, and there was two other people that were injured, but I think that that's um, what's that?
Speaker 2:Prayers go up to, up to all those people, right, like that, were involved, absolutely. Yeah, that's not cool. Anyway, I think, um, there's, there's fault lines, right, there's fault lines that are clear and distinctive within the American political landscape, the social landscape, the cultural landscape, and I think that, like what, happened yesterday.
Speaker 3:Firework video. Does LA take over?
Speaker 2:I think I've seen that video. No, you're good Anyways. I think, what happened yesterday? What happened yesterday is just a stark warning about the fragility of american society and the dangers of ignoring, um, the underlying fault lines that are, that are there and have have occurred and they never really got covered up or fixed and, um, yeah, so you know, just got to, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I really don't know how to act, except just to be continued to be awesome, I guess in my own life.
Speaker 3:It's the best way to do it, dude.
Speaker 2:That's my, that's my response.
Speaker 3:Otherwise. I'm going to crush life and be awesome. Crush life and be like way to end on it well uh no chris, chris and jordan.
Speaker 1:Thank you guys for coming on this morning. I I just went a lot longer than I wanted to, but I really enjoy hearing you guys. Your thoughts fully come out. Um, you know, these, these are. I think these are important things to talk about. We have the platform to do it. I'm so glad that you hit me up. Yesterday, chris were asking me those questions. I I'm like, hey, what are you doing tomorrow morning? I know you're going to church, because I got to go to church too, but we should talk.
Speaker 2:That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1:But I do think, at the end of the day, no matter who our president is, even now, I'll just be straight. I didn't support Joe Biden. I don't want him killed and, to be real with you, I actually will pray for him every once in a while because he's the leader of our country. He has to do well for us. We depend on our president to do well, so we don't want him to fail. Do I believe in what he's doing? In a lot of ways, no, just like if Trump is in, people don't agree with what he's doing, but you still got to support the guy. He's still trying to do what's best for our country. You shouldn't want to see the downfall of this person whatsoever.
Speaker 1:And you know we're living in some very tumultuous times and you know the best thing you do. It's kind of honestly, like you said, chris, it's like remember to take care of your family like the most important thing in the day. Everybody is your family, you, us. You know what, what we do for the people that are directly around us, because you know when we we all got a time limit here. I've said this so many times you know at the end of the day, when you, when you pass away? Do you think they really care about what your political affiliation was? You know what? I read a statistic, and this will be real quick. When we die, okay, the average eulogy is eight to 12 minutes. Your life, my life, our lives are summed up in eight to 12 minutes. You think I really want them to talk about my political affiliation?
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying Like use your time wisely, Like your time is the only thing we cannot get back, you know so. Your 70 years was the average lifespan around there. If you make it that long, it's summed up in eight to 12 minutes. It's not about your career, how much money you brought in. You can't take your money with you. I've never seen a hearse pulling a U-Haul behind it. I mean, what's your life going to be summed up in eight to 12 minutes.
Speaker 3:Sorry, that was funny. Yeah, I know You're right and that's the thing I know we're talking about. The assassination attempt and that's, and that's the thing you know. I know this is we're talking about the assassination attempt is kind of turned in a political standpoint and but I think it's good to talk about because I think it's good to hear, like I think it's good for people to hear that, like you know, there's different things of opinions and there's a way to go about things that, like, civil discourse isn't the answer.
Speaker 3:And you know, the things that you can control in your life is yourself, your family. And I mean control, like I don't mean like being an asshole, I'm just saying like the immediate things that you can impact, that you're going to have a direct relation to, is those things. It's your friends, your family, you know, your coworkers that you work with every day. You know, and and those are where you can, you know, either make or break things, and that's what's most important. You know the political stuff, the outside stuff, is important for sure, cause you shouldn't, you know you're like, hey, I don't, I don't want to spend more money in this. Or hey, I hope they would help these people out more. Or, hey, I hope I get some help out in certain things, whatever that may be being involved with. That isn't the problem.
Speaker 3:But letting that turn into something that can perpetuate heinous acts, that's disgusting, and you know, and you know I think, like every couple you know, every 10 to 20 years, dude, shit happens, stuff goes sideways. It gets crazy because we live in, we live, we're here, we're on earth, we're human. You know, and you know we try to make the best sense of things and we try to put ourselves in the best possible situations that we can. And I just, you know, I challenge people to like if you disagree with somebody, try to talk through it. See if you can have a conversation with somebody instead of calling them a dumb ass or an idiot or I can't fucking do this because I don't agree with you that much. Try, try to listen, and even if you still think that that person isn't responding in a way, or maybe they're not having a good argument, well, at least you did it, and then you can agree to disagree. And then you know you're like, hey, that person sucks at talking about this.
Speaker 3:It doesn't mean that they're evil or that they're something different. I mean not that there aren't evil people. They're clearly there are, but you know, I'm talking about the day-to-day. Like it's not a, it's not a 50, 50 out there. That half of people are, you know, evil and the other half aren't. I'm saying, like you know, just extend yourself in a way to be able to talk about stuff, because one it's gonna, it's gonna do one of two things it's either gonna change your mind or it's going to make your base firstly, so your feelings about something stronger, because you can articulate it, not just because you can call someone a fucking moron and then you shut them down yeah, you know what?
Speaker 3:yeah, and I think okay, sorry, buddy oh no, no, I just and I mean all I'm doing, all I'm saying is that, going with that mindset and how you approach things that are differencing of opinion, you know, I think what you find is that maybe something that would fire you up. It won't fire you up If you have a conversation with someone that maybe you feel like you bettered them in the conversation. It doesn't make you more fired up. What it does is it makes you kind of like I feel, at least for me. I feel like I'm like, ok, I feel better about it, but it's like I'm not. I'm not like I don't know, I'm worried about it as much as that makes any sense. Yeah, you know, and again, that's such a broad statement of what I'm saying right now it's like I don't want to make it sound like you can best people.
Speaker 3:It's not about that. It's about putting in your situation of learning. About putting in your situation of learning. It's about understanding. Or maybe, hey, you go like look, I just talked to somebody that completely disagrees with me on something. I still don't agree with them, but maybe I can empathize with where their mindset's coming from, something.
Speaker 2:So, instead of me thinking that person's and have respect for them as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, because instead of being like oh, this person you know, fill in whatever expletive. Now I person you know, fill in whatever expletive, now I just go. Okay, well, I can see where that person's coming from. I still don't agree and maybe, hey, maybe now it's like, maybe I can talk to them and help. You know, whether it's changed their mind or help educate them, whatever it is, doesn't matter, but your approach to the situation isn't now I want to fuck this person up. Has nothing to do with that's like. Or maybe, hey, instead of being like, instead of being like, I'm gonna mess them up physically, be like I'm gonna go talk to them intellectually and play some jujitsu in that game.
Speaker 3:You know, what I mean. And let's try to compete. And that's where the exhibition lies, because it's a mental game. Not, hey, I can go out and kick your ass because you feel different than I do. You know, and and again. Like it, dude, it's just, life is nuts. I hate to see the events that happened yesterday and I hope that this is like a kind of smack upside the head for everybody that, like dude, no one's impervious to anything. We're all human and we can all make mistakes, do great things, suffer bad stuff, get through it together, all those good things that can come from it, you know.
Speaker 1:Well said dude, Damn Very good dude. Yeah, You'll see someone's, you can see someone's maturity One cup of coffee, baby. Yeah, you'll see someone's maturity when you have a disagreement with them and try to have a conversation. That's where you can really tell someone's maturity. And Jordan and I have just dealt with this. That's the worst wedding I've ever been a part of in my entire life.
Speaker 1:So, it's just people's emotional intelligence right. I've always learned. I have had to learn this the hard way too early on in life. If I respond with emotions, I'm always in the wrong. Something bad happens from it because I'm responding emotionally. Whereas I take a step back think about what's happening, give it time to breathe, let the emotions cool down then, think about it and talk to the person, or the disagreement, whatever it is, usually works itself out.
Speaker 1:It's like it's an easy, simple fix or pretty much usually a misunderstanding. That's how it always starts out. But, chris dude, thank you so much for joining us on a Sunday morning. Today's July 14th, it is the day after President Trump his assassination attempt and we want to talk about it, so thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you for having me. It's always great to riff with you boys and hopefully we can jam later, you know.
Speaker 1:Oh well, you're coming back.
Speaker 3:Literally dude, trust me, we can do it again, but I don't mean like post an assassination attempt. We just yeah, yeah, we'll just do another extreme moderate. Yeah, extreme moderates is that what we should call this this episode should be called extreme yeah, moderation extreme yeah, right on.
Speaker 1:Well, thanks, chris, I'll be texting you here in a little bit. Man, alright, sounds good, brother talk to you.
Speaker 3:See you later, jordan. Alright, see you, fellas, jordan. Dude, what's up, buddy, we are back. Are we recording? Yeah oh, what's wrong? Okay, oh, nothing's wrong. I just don't know the timeline dude. It was like no, no, this is gonna be real quick.
Speaker 1:Um, this is just to update everybody. This is the start of season three, jordan, and I have been gone for what was three it three months now.
Speaker 3:I think it was three months Dude longer than that.
Speaker 1:It's been like almost five, five, wow. So everybody knows, yeah, it's mainly because a lot has changed. I've recently gotten married. I have a child on the way. Let's go Stoked on the land baby. Yeah, a lot has changed for the better and I'm rebuilding my home inside.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, a lot has changed for the better and I'm rebuilding my home, um, inside backyard front, so we couldn't record because there was pretty much no place to record. But within that time, uh, we do have a virtual setup. Now we have an olympian who's coming on, pro surfer, a retired fire chief. Uh, there's so many more people that have hit me up to come on, I'm having to tell them to wait. So, um, thank you for your patience. We are back. This is season three, jordan, um, you have life updates to your family's growing. You can talk about it if you want. If not, we can end this. But, um, yeah, dude, here we are.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, uh, yeah, it has been a couple of months. I'm super pumped that, uh, sorry, it's warm. Um, we're doing it from my garage and if I start sweating, uh, it's because we just got done filming a, uh, an intense one, but, um, no, uh, it's going good. Yeah, I've got, uh, got three. I think the last episode that we talked about we had, I talked a little bit about the how to baby girl, oh, baby, awesome, and it's uh, it's wild with three kids, but it's a lot of fun too. And yeah, I just dude, my wife is a rock star.
Speaker 3:I don't know how she does it, but she has to deal with me and the kids and she does it very gracefully. So I truly appreciate that. But, dude, I'm so psyched on trying out and doing the digital feeding like so we can do from different locations with the remote stuff, and I think that's going to expand our ability to, you know, communicate, getting guests on and having some what's the word? I'm looking for A little bit more Flexibility.
Speaker 3:Flexibility within that I'm looking for a little bit more flexibility, flexibility within that, so we can stay consistent on it, cause I do, I love doing this and I'm super excited about the third season and kind of a little bit format changes up that we're doing and I think it's going to be really good and yeah, yeah, other than that, I'm and I get, I'm stoked cause I get to talk to you on this you know more than I heard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it'll be be easy, so we just want to say thank you for everyone's patience and for continuing to listen because, oddly enough, the downloads went up while we were gone.
Speaker 1:So it's just, it's interesting, so it's fine. Demand, yeah, it's awesome, but uh, that's it, man, we'll get out of here. Happy sunday again. This is july 14th, the day after president trump's uh you know assassination attempt. He's still alive, man. This is a wild time. This is a wild, wild time. But I'll tell you one thing while we close Jordan I don't know the people who are listening. I'm not one to press my faith on you or church or whatever. It ain't about church either. It's about relationship with the Lord. Just leave you at that. But ultimately, my belief is God is in control and I do think he protected the president. He's in control of our lives and everything that's happening around us. And you know, I always remind my parents, my mom too, cause she gets all worried about all this stuff, and in times I'm like look, you know, I've learned you don't have to stress about anything. Lord's in control. Just what's going to happen is going to happen. It is what it is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, baby Dude, I totally agree, and I agree with you with what happened yesterday too. You know, I mean, I think I think the nickname of Teflon Don took on a whole new meeting yesterday. And you know, yeah, you can call it whatever you want, but I think it's divine intervention of what occurred. Yeah, you can call it whatever you want, but I think it's divine intervention of what occurred. And I think that that's kind of the like, kind of the understating tone of just how how live in life, you know, is this reduces the stress, because the reality is that, dude, we're not in control. Yeah, you know, and it doesn't mean that you know bad things can't happen and all that stuff. But instead of worrying about every aspect of your day, you know, just, you know, put it to God and he'll take care of the rest. And and you know, that's all we can do as humans. And you know, and, uh, yeah, no, it's sorry, we just with the film, and that there was a lot of stuff we were talking about. Oh, it's crazy dog. But, yeah, no, man, I'm, I'm just man, I'm just I'm glad that didn't happen to him.
Speaker 3:And my heart goes out to the family of the individual that was shot and, like you said, it was maybe a retired fire chief or something along that line Horrible. And you know my heart goes out to their family and whoever else was injured. And you know, I think that life is crazy and all we could do is keep the ones around us, our loved ones, our friends, and, you know, try to establish those relationships and nurture those things, because those are the only things that we're truly not in control of but that we can, you know, make better or worse. And the rest of it, you know, we got to give it up to God to light us out, and you know you can't control those things. Dude, if it's your time, it's. Your time clearly wasn't trump's time yesterday. No, you know, and, uh, you know, at the end of the day, I just, you know my heart goes out to anyone involved in that and you know, I hope that this is a big, you know, wake-up moment and that, you know, the violence thing it's real. Yeah, you know, and that's what I think. That's what I think that most people just don't understand.
Speaker 3:There was a. I'll keep it short, but there was a video out there yesterday that was someone in the crowd happened to be uh, he was an er physician saw that he had blood all over him and you know he was talking to the camera about what had happened. He said he saw the. The person got shot, hit him in the head. They came over try to do cpr. There was brain matter so he knew the person's gonna expire but they did what they could and you know he sounded very uh mellow talking about it.
Speaker 3:But you gotta understand, this is a er physician he's like he sees it all the time, yeah yeah, death is not something that's gonna a new thing, but the majority of people around him probably aren't. And you know, I think, when you see that kind of stuff for the first time, my hope is that there's a little bit of like a, like a whoa. You know, life is fragile to a certain extent and when you're gone, you're gone, you know, and uh, maybe to have the understanding of, like you know, people dying because of you know, political discourse. You know, this isn't the 1800s, it isn't, you know, revolutions and things that took place. This is like we were supposed to be a little bit more civil in this process and hopefully there's a lot of things that are learned from this. And you know, and I'm sure it's going to be a subject matter We'll be talking about a lot, you know, um, but yeah, either way, sorry I'm, I'm going on a wrong tangent.
Speaker 3:I'm super stoked, I'm super stoked to be back on and doing this um, for everyone sticking with us and downloading, and to anybody new that's that's following. Thank you and welcome, and hopefully we can provide some fun insight to things, and we got a couple guests coming up that are going to be super interesting and I don't want to ruin that, you know. So it'll be a reveal, but it should be a lot of fun and hopefully we get some fun moments out of it as well.
Speaker 1:Thanks again, buddy, looking forward to this season. It's going to be super good. Let's get a. Let's go on. Three. You ready? Yes, sir, let's do it. One, two, three, let's go, let's go. Bye everybody. Thank you so much for listening in. If you like what you just listened to, please leave us a five-star review on apple podcast and on spotify. Please follow us on youtube, on instagram and on facebook. And a big shout out to steven clark, our sound editor. He's a huge part of this team that is unseen. It's eight nine barbers. Our first sponsor. Look good, feel good, be great. That's two locations orange, california and long beach, california. Book your appointment online eight nine barberscom. Bye everybody.
