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Embracing Adversity: The Unseen Connection Between Health, Friendship, and Fitness
Ever wondered how the power of friendship can positively impact your health and fitness journey? Ever considered how your 'why' can help you endure physical and mental trials? This episode brings to light the inextricable bonds between friendship, fitness, and facing adversity through a touching recount of running a marathon in firefighter gear for a cause close to my heart,
Evan's nephew Aiden.
Navigating through the pain and challenges life throws at us can be daunting. However, we delve into how embracing suffering can lead to personal growth and transformation, drawing from my experiences as a personal trainer and online fitness coach. Evan, Tim, and Sam2 also share important insights on how your food choices, lifestyle habits, and even finances can profoundly impact your health, drawing from personal experiences of surviving on fast food to dealing with its repercussions.
As we age, our bodies react differently to substances like alcohol. This episode explores these changes, the risks associated with weight loss drugs, and the benefits of fitness routines that include weight training and cardio. We also discuss the importance of tracking calories and protein intake, and the role of a balanced diet and regular exercise in health and fitness. Through all these discussions, we underscore the importance of learning from tough times, and seeing struggles as stepping stones to personal growth and achieving fitness goals. This episode is an eye-opener in understanding the enduring connection between health, fitness, and our everyday lives. Tune in and transform your journey to fitness!
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Speaker 2:Hello everybody.
Speaker 1:And put the camera on Sam too. Look at Sam too.
Speaker 2:Sam too is back. Sam too, sam the second.
Speaker 1:Yeah, evan, I'll let you kind of tell people what we're going to talk about here.
Speaker 2:All right, all right, hey everybody. So a couple of different topics, but I think the first one that we should talk about is the drug ozempic. Oh, granted, this podcast, I guess you could say, is a little bit more in the realm of fitness. This is the realm that I kind of eat, sleep and train him.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, it is, and if people don't know, that's how we became friends. Oh, do you want to kind of bring up that a little bit? Actually, yeah, let's talk about that?
Speaker 2:How did we?
Speaker 1:meet. How did we meet Evan? What's our story? Yeah, was it 2016? 17?.
Speaker 2:I think it was either 2016 or yeah. Yeah, I know it was. It was 2016, I thought it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like this 2016, right.
Speaker 2:I think it was like mid-. Somewhere around there, yeah yeah, we've been friends for a while, whatever.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I was getting in shape. We were both involved with film and doing things and I needed to get a private yeah personal trainer. Yep, and I found you. That's the best part about it, man, wow, yeah. So Evan, somebody knows Evan was my trainer for quite a while. You also helped me get ready for a triathlon, remember that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got you ready for a triathlon. And what was it Actually? A triathlon and a marathon. Which Right? Yes, again you did a fundraising marathon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, was that the one for your nephew? Yes, oh my gosh dude, I totally. That's terrible. I should say I forgot about that, no, that's the marathon that I ran in my firefighter gear. Yes, yo, dude, can I be with you guys here?
Speaker 2:100%.
Speaker 1:I remember talking with you and so everybody knows Evan's nephew did pass away. We can talk about that. That was a wild time, but I think that's also kind of what drew our friendship a lot closer.
Speaker 2:Big time.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But I saw there was a need. Your family was hurt and you guys were going through a difficult time. I was thinking, man, there's got to be something I can do, or we can do, to help raise money or awareness for him and other people that are kind of suffering from the same ailment. So I had this sign made and I put it on my firefighter gear and I ran the Long Beach Marathon in my firefighter turnout gear the coat, the pants, helmet, I had a sign and raised the money for Aiden.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to be super real with you, man. I remember starting that run and we trained. You trained me very well. You have trained me not just to gain muscle or even physique, but I'll tell you, hey, I'm going to be doing a triathlon, okay, and you're like, give me a day. All right, man, here's what you're going to do. And you've freaking lined it out. It was amazing. Yep, he got me ready for the marathon, which is awesome. So everybody knows he's an awesome trainer, I think. But, dude, I remember starting that marathon and I got into the like, the like halfway through the first mile and I was like I think I fucked up.
Speaker 1:Oh my God Dude, I was running and I was thinking I have like 25 and a half 26 more miles of this.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like this is going to be pure suffering. But I remember doing it and thinking to myself I always do better in these marathons, ultra marathons or triathlons, these endurance races that I do when I'm racing for something, right, typically, if I do it for myself, I would say I'm serious about it. But I'm like, whatever you know, I'll train when I train and I'll get it done. But when I'm doing it to raise money for somebody or for organization and bring awareness to something, it gives me a why, which we kind of talked about earlier, and it makes you push more, it makes you fight through that pain, and I do.
Speaker 1:I want to say there was probably a solid three times I thought to myself you're going to, I'm going to quit, this is so painful right now. And then telling myself, no, you're doing this for Aiden and my little dog is up here. You were not allowed to be in the studio. Oh shit, oh, my goodness. Anyways.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I remember doing that run and the why was for you, for your family, into somehow bring hope in such a tough and dire situation, you know, and I remember finishing that run and coming in towards the finish line and you know, I have, you have that whole crowd and I remember when he saw I was this guy running in fire gear and I turned around and they saw the sign and the announcer said like cheer Tim Fisher on, because you can see the name he's running for Aiden raising awareness, let's give him like, whatever right. And gosh, it made me so emotional. I was thinking, okay, this is what it's about. Finally, people, you know, they're seeing what this is for and who it's for and what we're doing, you know. So, yeah, it was a, it was a crazy time. Yeah, man.
Speaker 2:It was a very emotional time and, honestly, man, like that again, like that's something, that's something I will never forget, you know what? And I know that, like my family, dude, my family fucking loves you man.
Speaker 2:Oh it's okay, it's honestly, that was an emotional time, like seeing you, like again, we put in the hard work, but the fact that, dude, you did this and raised this money Like I didn't ask you to do this, you, dude, you came to me and asked me like hey, listen, like let me do this for you and because, again, running a marathon is no joke, it's torture. It's torture. I could put myself through hell, but I wouldn't. I don't put myself through that type of hell. And that's something where I'm like, dude, like give me something to lift heavy and like I'll fucking do my best, but like running that amount of time, that's, that's a different animal for me.
Speaker 2:So, like the fact that you were able to do that and that you came to me, like listen, I want to raise money, I want to help anyway, I can. Even just doing that, dude, like that, just that meant a lot to me, especially in that point in time in my life. Yeah, that, dude, I'm still grateful for that. I'm still grateful for like that like shows, like it's stuff like that that shows true character of, like you know, like helping a person that's in need and on helping a family, and you did that and that's it means a lot and shows the character of who you are, and that's why I feel that, like you know, we are still friends, oh, my gosh, like you know.
Speaker 2:I do like, you're like. Again you're one of my closest friends. Again, you, you and the boys man.
Speaker 1:The podcast crew man, let's go. Sam too, as well, you know Sam too.
Speaker 2:You know. But like you know, it's a, it's a big deal like to do something like that and, like you know, I'm forever grateful for some like absolutely.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's those bonds that you make with people over time and you know, to me those are things that you take with yourself and do eternity, Right, I mean, it's good to raise money and do stuff, but reality is we're not going to take any of this stuff with us when we die, when our time's up and the cards pulled. You know, it's kind of what we do for each other, for your close friends and your close family or pre-manager, whatever you do. Yeah, To me those are things that are kind of priceless that you do. So you know, suffering sometimes is a good thing. Yeah, you got to push yourself, you know.
Speaker 2:You know it's really funny. I was listening to a podcast and, like you know this whole entire thing of like don't it's like the don't complain from people, or like when you're suffering and we always choose to, you know, whenever we're going through it, whenever we're going through this, like the challenges that life has to offer, you know it's like the the suffering is probably oh there she is, you talking about suffering. She's like, she's like. I'll cheer you up.
Speaker 1:She's great. She's a good dog. I love her. She's I think it's her first time on camera, Wow.
Speaker 2:My goodness yeah.
Speaker 1:I love it. I love it man.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you know, just a suffering.
Speaker 1:Just crashing the party right now.
Speaker 2:But you know, suffering is we're meant to like and this is going to sound really like sadistic or masochistic but it's like we're meant to suffer.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And a way like and I mean that in a way that it's like you know, the suffering is like we're meant to. Oh, here you go, hang on, I'm just going to you're so great.
Speaker 1:We're going to interrupt this podcast right now and get my dog out of here.
Speaker 2:She's so cute, so cute. I'm going to cut this out.
Speaker 3:I'll, but we'll cut some of this out.
Speaker 2:You handled that very well. Yeah, no, but uh, man, um, I'll let she, I'll just get back. Yeah, oh, okay, cool, cool. So I mean like, so we're meant to suffer? In the fact that you know the things that we go through like hardships, I feel like they really show us who we are, who we could or who we can be.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I think.
Speaker 2:I think if, like all the tough I mean like I'm sure that you could you can relate to this too and everything I mean like I know that you can, but you know so many things like whether, like all the trials and tribulations that we go through, the people that we lose along the way, like the like, the betrayals, like all, like all the hardships that we like go through and like we get kicked the shit out of by life.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:But it, if you think about it kind of like this, it's like oh, this is like helping forging me into the person that I was meant to be. This is like this is like, this is just. And when you think about like that, it's like you know you welcome the suffering a little bit more. You're willing to like, like, you're willing to accept it, like this is what's going to be like right now and this is like this sucks and it's okay to like, be like yeah, man, fuck this shit, this sucks.
Speaker 2:It's like it's okay to feel that but like, but also not let it control you and let it like go down where a spiral, where it's like you don't have any control over anything. It's just understanding that it's like.
Speaker 2:You know, this is meant for me to like, push forward, to actually become better at any like, honestly, every single time that I've ever had, you know, a really low moment, and I've had a lot of them and they suck all of them. But you embrace, like again, like, I guess, like for any Marines out there, it's like you embrace the suck, right, so you embrace the suck, you let like you, like you literally like, take it and like it can literally forge you into such a better person. It could make you into the 2.0 version of yourself. Man, what is up with me? Words today, but you know that's like. You know it's meant to push you forward because, like, where you're at right now, it's you know, and like some of the things that you go through is not fun at all and like you never want to experience it. But it's also meant to be there for you to push you for the next phase of your life.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh my gosh, this is a good point to bring up. I love how we plan some of these podcasts. We just start and it just goes where it goes.
Speaker 1:Dude, suffering is one heck of a thing and that's every. You know. Nobody's going to be able to avoid tough times or deaths. You know, and I read something pretty interesting the other day and it was a this professor kind of. He's a, he's a believer Christian man and what he did is he had I think he said he had like a group of dads and moms get into a room, you know, just to do kind of like a study and he said he wrote out their child story, right.
Speaker 1:He said this is when your child's born. You know, this is a moment they have as a teenager, good or bad. Then they go through adulthood, right and this, and that doesn't outline what it says. And then he gave every single person in that room that story. He says you have two minutes to erase and rewrite this person's story, but remember you take away some of those hard times.
Speaker 1:Some of those lessons that they're supposed to learn are going to be gone. And that really spoke to me because there are a lot of things I've learned through mistakes and through things that are out of my control, where I look back now and I think, oh man, like it was a good thing that I kind of went through that, because it made me learn, it made me stronger mentally and emotionally. Did it really suck at that time? Oh my gosh. Yes. But as I've said on here before and we always read right Smooth seas or calm seas didn't make skilled sailors.
Speaker 1:To become a skilled sailor, you're going to have to ride some of those storms out, and that's true with a lot of parts of our life. It's going to be difficult, it's going to be hard, but what are you going to do? Give up, and I get it. There's a lot of times where and I've been in that place where you think I can't move, I can't move on from this, I can't get to this part of my life, it's going to be too hard. And then here I am, all these years later and I look back. I'm thinking, oh man, yeah, I'm fine, I'm good, it's going to be good. It's kind of like that episode we did about Hope.
Speaker 2:Yeah, honestly, that was a great episode. I'm still bummed out that I wasn't able to make it that time.
Speaker 1:I was like I wanted to be here guys.
Speaker 2:I wanted to be here so much but honestly, you guys like Jordan, sam, I love you guys. I love you guys so much. I love all of you guys and obviously that episode, that's one of my favorite episodes. And again, yeah, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1:Let's go.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I think of it this way too. It's just like. You know, the challenging times that we go through leads to the wisdom that we have, not only for ourselves in the future, but to help guide those who also go through those hardships.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think of actually quite recently. Crazy thing, it's weird, but like a lot of the people around my age, I have a high school friend of mine. Her dad just passed away. And you know it's just crazy because you know, just a year, a year and a half ago or a little over a year ago, like my dad passed away too and you know it's still fresh, it still hurts. I just saw that and I just you know I reached out and said, hey, you know like it's a tough time right now and just know that, like you know, like your dad loves you, your dad is proud of you and like you know he's still here with you.
Speaker 2:And it's because the thing is like you know, and the being here now like you know, you feel it and everything.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like you feel, like it's like you know and like you know, there's still that time where I'm like, damn, you know, things are going. Things are starting to go really well for me now, right, and I wish I could just give him a call and just be like you know like I'm doing it, Like the things like you know, because I feel like you know, he only heard me struggle, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And. But like the thing is is like I know that he's here with me, I know he's watching and, like you know, it's like I need to, like it's like relaying that message to somebody else who's been in the same situation. It's just like you know. Hey, you're going to be okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You're going to grow and everything, and it's going to hurt, it's going to suck. I know that he's always with you and you know it's.
Speaker 2:It's the things that you know you can say and all that but if you don't like, if you don't like experience the things like they're just words but like yeah, it's, it's different, it holds different meaning when you yourself have gone through it. Yeah, no-transcript, and it's just the thing where I'm like, wow, like, and I do remember too, when my dad did pass, like I did have friends or even like some of, like you know, my fiance's friends, like uh, it's like like reach out and like, hey, like my dad passed, like you know, a year or two ago, and like you know this is tough, and so you know you pass it on to the next person. Whatever you learn, whatever hardship you go through, you know you're there to learn it. It's like the reason why you're learning is so that you could become better, a better person yourself, but then you could better help somebody in the future down the line, because there's going to be somebody that's going to need your help.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, absolutely, absolutely, man, and it's uh, I mean gosh, I want to say it's even while we're here on this earth, right, we're here to do life's hard. Let's help each other out. Yeah, let's get through this together. You know, and I think that's what's built such a strong friendship between you and me, and then even Sam and George, our whole crew that we have is so solid. I really enjoy what we have going on and what we're doing, you know very close, close group.
Speaker 2:Very close.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's, it's a for me, like for me as a man, it's great to have close men like that where you can honestly offload your stuff, good and bad, and there's no judgment. It's like, okay, well, yeah, that's going to suck.
Speaker 3:But let's figure it out.
Speaker 1:Let's get through this. You know I'm not here to judge you, dude, like you're going to beat yourself up enough if you make a bad decision or whatnot. But we're going to figure it out, we're going to get through it, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to be able to be vulnerable with and on, and just you know like have open arms with like you're getting, like being able to like like talk things out, and you know like when tough times do happen, it's just like knowing the fact that you know we're going to be there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2:Okay, so now that's really good.
Speaker 1:I love it. Man, yeah, okay, what is that drug that we talked about earlier for fitness? So so now I want to kind of preface this for everybody Evan, you are, you are a coach of fitness. Let's say specialists, what would you call what you do, what you certified?
Speaker 2:So I'm a I'd like to say that, like I am a personal trainer and an online fitness coach and basically what I like to do is I like to help people get into shape. I actually like helping parents get into shape, just because I know that it can be a struggle, especially juggling like your kids, like schedule with yours and trying to like put food on the table but also make sure that, like you're doing everything for your kid and providing for your kid, but then it's like usually parents get left on the back burner. Yeah and so, and like their and their needs and their requirements and like how they function, like they're, usually their health, like it goes, goes to the side while taking care of the family where when, in reality, it's like you do need to focus on your health.
Speaker 2:You need to make sure that you're taking care of yourself so that you better take care of your kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And like to be be there for your family. And also, again, I think that, like it really sparked a fire in me when my dad passed, because like he didn't take care of himself, especially the last 10 years of his life, and that really sparked a fire in me. And me, like you know, hey one, I'm a parent. I need to, I need to be healthy for, like my son, like for our family, and I can only imagine, like you know, the pain that I'm feeling because my dad didn't have enough time, or like he could have had a lot more time, but he chose not to take care of himself, gotcha, and you know I need to like, I need to do something so that that doesn't necessarily like, so that other people can have more time with their parents.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so, like I really want to earn the vice versa have parents having more time with their kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so, like I really focus on driving home, like you know, take care of the parents like you need to take care of yourself, and I'm here to help guide you to a healthier life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's. I think a lot of people don't understand, maybe, the importance of movement. Understanding what you put in your body matters.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Drinking enough water every day? Are you eating out all the time? Are you trying to cook your food? Now I want to say that with there are some people I get at. Your financial situation doesn't allow you to eat a certain way possible. You've read the statistics, right? Right, kind of the lower income communities. They eat out more because it's cheaper, right? Well, let's go to the dollar menu and get 10 things to feed our kids and ourselves.
Speaker 2:Bro, dude, that was me in high school and again there was a point in time where, like you know, my family wasn't doing well and like, quite literally, like my dad would just go to like Carl's Jr and I would have like, so like there'd be times, like in high school, where, like we just like survived off of like Carl's Jr cheeseburgers and chicken sandwiches and like that was like because like we were growing boys, like, and like we were playing sports, but like we needed food, but like we didn't have, like we didn't have enough food, so like we just got off the dial. So I get it.
Speaker 2:Like I understand like, I understand what it's like and everything Everyone's situation is different.
Speaker 1:Exactly, we totally, we totally get that. Yeah, yeah, you know. What's interesting about this too is I if I eat out now, we typically I try to do it like once a week, right, it's a weekend go get a pizza or whatever, yeah, but I remember coming home from surfing late one evening. I was like last year yeah, I was starving, I didn't bring anything with me to eat and I was coming home and I remember stopping at Carl's Jr.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I thought to myself you know, just get that double Western bacon cheeseburger. It's been a long time, yeah, yeah, I want to tell you, when I woke up the next morning after eating that I, my fingers were tight, I felt puffy in my face, I felt bloated. Eating that food now impacts me so hard at an older age, bro, and it's not that I'm old, no, but your body changes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So taking all that in at like the salt and sodium.
Speaker 2:It was gnarly. I got a similar story so it was my. It was my best friend's bachelor party.
Speaker 2:Vegas no no, no, actually it was kind of low key. It was like it was actually at his place, but it was just like a guys like again I get just like guys night and it was just. It was really nice. It was really like I loved it and like I know that he loved it and it was just all of us together. But at the end of the night, like because I was driving from far away, I actually spent the night. But, yeah, he like, they're like oh, we're hungry. Oh, why don't we get Del Taco? And I haven't had Del Taco.
Speaker 1:Del Taco, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:Del Taco as a kid, like again. It was like after high school. You just like you walk to the local Del Taco. You'd hang out there. You have a couple of chicken soft tacos. It's great. Yeah, tim Tim, oh man, sam too, what's up? I had like three things off the menu. I had like a burrito and I had two chicken soft tacos because I was pretty hungry and I had quite a bit of alcohol that night.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1:Oh boy.
Speaker 2:I wake up in a cold Food poisoning. Yep, oh, I didn't throw up, oh.
Speaker 1:That's like lava. I just say I destroyed the poison.
Speaker 2:So it'll get you, bro, you know and you know it's funny because, like that day, I started 75 hard.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're gonna talk about that. We'll talk about oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll look if I like. That was the day that I was like. You know what I need a change. Yeah, and yeah, I have not had Del Taco ever since and you know it's like it sucks because I that was a childhood memory that I'm like.
Speaker 3:I always had great memories of Del Taco that should be the first thing you eat once you're done with your 75.
Speaker 2:Oh hell, no, no, I'm not going back.
Speaker 1:I'm not going. There's another 15 pounds on toilet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, I'm not yeah, but I think I think the main, the the main point of this is, like, what you put into your body Matters, especially as you get older. Actually, I was talking with another client of mine during a coaching call. You know, it's like she went to a Beyonce concert, actually last night, and are, no, not last night over the week, like our. No, no, it wasn't the Beyonce concert. She had an event, but then she ended up drinking more than she was expecting to and she woke up with a hangover the next day. Oh and I, and she's like I can't do that, like I can't do this anymore. I'm like, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like I noticed that. It's like, yeah, as we get older, like alcohol hits different.
Speaker 2:I remember like being, like you know, 21 in college, raging like the night before a college party and all that.
Speaker 3:Like getting three hours of sleep, waking up like no good, can you go to the gym and I?
Speaker 2:bust out a couple reps. I'm like I was like I Maybe I couldn't get one more rep, like I usually can, but I was like does it does a decent workout? Now it's like after, like you know, and I have drinking and I won't even have like a crazy amount of drinks up a. It hurts, I'm not like sick, but I'm not like better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't I just feel shitty, yeah, you know, and it's like not nearly as much. I don't do to be real. Yeah, I don't really drink much anymore. Yeah, I'll have a beer every once now, once a while here, and they're having we're talking about fitness tonight. I'm drinking beer right now but, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1:I honestly just don't drink that much big anymore and Sam to you've told me this before where it's like it's really important when you finally link, when you eat something and an understanding how it makes your body feel and function big time. That is when I remember when Sam to say that's it like clicked, yeah, and that's why I just, I just don't eat out that much anymore because I don't like how I feel the next day or even that night, feeling bloated, you feel puffy and then even drink an alcohol because of how much all of us work out.
Speaker 1:Yeah most of the time I get up in the morning, that's when I get myself done. I hate getting up and just feeling hungover, yeah, and tired. And Now, with just a little bit of age to going out, if I were to drink a lot and hang out late with somewhere, with somebody, yeah, it takes me like four days to recover. Yeah, I can't just snap to it anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah it, and you know it's really funny. It's a More and more people I talked to and more and more people like I I consume content from Say the same thing. They say exactly that. Where it's like a lot of people are just like, yeah, I just quit drinking, just because it's like I didn't really have a problem is just I Didn't feel like like having, like you know, a four-day recovery after, like it takes your body longer to recover from it.
Speaker 2:Right now granted, it's like obviously about not drinking right now because I'm also on 75 heart, but it's doing. But I do like I love beer and but it's like not like I don't love beer to like get drunk. It's just like I love Everything around it, like I like going to a brewery yeah, that's right, the atmosphere, people that you're with, like you know there's that it's not just the beer itself. Grant, I do like the taste and everything, but it's like it's it's special, it's like almost a ritual type of thing, it's like coming together. But I know that also like, yeah, like I don't need a drink it every single day, right, otherwise, if I do, it's just like I don't feel good, I feel like Mentally, I feel like in a fog, I feel shitty too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got you and that's the reason why, like you know, cutting back on drinking is actually nice, because I'm like, okay, I definitely, I definitely feel physically, but the mental aspect of it is the thing that kind of gets me get that fog away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm down with that. Now, one thing we'll talk about here's you know a lot of people think that taking a pill we're getting a shot of something, or get on like shortened quick fix programs. It's how it's gonna get. And I'll say I have family that like guilty of this right. I even kind of thought this way until I really understood fitness and being healthy and, yeah, how it really comes into working out and diet during your water and all that, and one of them is getting rest. Oh my god, you need sleep. That's how you repair. That's a big that's a big one yeah it's a big one.
Speaker 1:So you know it's a lot of times I have. I've met a lot of people in my career field, like serving these people and helping them in the call 911, but also like my family where they're a little unhealthy right.
Speaker 1:Right and I think, oh, I got my blood pressure meds, I'm good. Or got my cholesterol, you know, medicaid, I'm good. The medication that's prescribed you because you have high cholesterol or high blood pressure is meant to help you get it down and lower and keep you regulated while you get healthy. Exactly, yeah, so you can get off the medication, yes, and live a healthy lifestyle, right? Doctors won't tell you that, no, so here you go, take it right cuz, cuz they get a paycheck.
Speaker 1:That's what I was gonna say right, we're not to go full conspiracy, right, but Healthy people don't make money for the pharmaceutical industry? Yes, hospitals, right, sick people make money, yeah, you know. So it's like no, just keep taking this pill. Well, yeah, well, we'll fill out prescription. Yeah, I keep taking this blood pressure medicine. No, no, no these medications. Well, when you're trying to get healthy, against, to help you stabilize your body, but also, in the meantime, your diet and exercise needs To start playing into that.
Speaker 1:Yeah you can drop that weight or get that health back.
Speaker 2:It helps off those medications, yeah it helps aids you, but like it doesn't, like it doesn't solve the problem, it just like it. It helps aid the symptom, but like it doesn't get to the underlying root of the problem. Yeah, which is usually again like when you have like high blood pressure, if you like, you, like you know, if you get diabetes and everything it's like, it's usually because You're not either not moving enough or you're like your diet is shit. Yeah, it's a combination of both. Yeah, and you're just you're not paying attention to like what you're putting in your mouth.
Speaker 2:Yeah and so that's kind of. That's kind of where all this comes from, where it's like you know, if you do properly diet and exercise. Now obviously is like if you need to go on medication, you need to go on medication.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that, but you don't want to be stuck on it.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And so, like, my thing is is like I'm not. I'm not a person like, oh, like, never be on medication at all. No, it's like, if you absolutely need it, then it's like and it's a must, then, yeah, go on it. Don't like it. Talk like, make sure that you're talking with your like healthcare provider, making sure that you're Doing the right things in order to help get your situation right. But you need to do the work too. It's not just the, it's not just a medication. It's like what you actually put into it because, again, you got into your situation Because of your actions or the lack thereof right and then granted and may. It might not be your fault, it might be the way that you were raised and it's not your fault, but it is your obligation to yourself, it is your responsibility, in order to get yourself back into a healthy, into a healthy state.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, well said. And there's one thing it's probably going to Do. I'm going to say this and I might make people upset there is no such thing as being big-boned. I'm just to put that out there right now. You hear people oh, he does here, he's just big-boned, like yeah, and sam samt, you could probably speak to this a trainer as well, but there was a really good picture I saw on a health magazine.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, I know when you're talking about it was an x-ray right and it wasn't like the two people were just laying next to each other X-ray dexa scan kind of right, yeah, yeah they had an x-ray of somebody who was thinner, mm-hmm. Right, and they showed it up there right and you see their body. You can see the outline of their skin right and the organs and the bones, and then they have someone who was morbidly obese.
Speaker 1:Yeah and you can see the bones. But then you can see the organs in the outline of their body and fat and everything and it says nobody's big-boned.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no. I mean, I think that's a harsh truth.
Speaker 1:I just want to say it. I'm gonna put that out there. It's there's nobody's big-boned.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's funny. It's like bone Structure is definitely a thing because, again, if you think about it this way, it's like there's a reason why they're like bodybuilders and like there are people that are like made for like bodybuilding. There are people made for swimming. They're made for Sprinting is like based off of like bone length and like where, like again, some people have wider hips, some people have smaller hips, but yeah, as far as like big bone, where they're just like, I'm like what are you like neanderthal?
Speaker 3:or something like that.
Speaker 2:No, we we're all like. We all have similar skeletal Frames and everything, and obviously there are differences in that, but big bone is not one of them.
Speaker 1:It's like maybe bone length, but not bone thickness now, another thing that we want, you know we talked about was now what was that drug that we talked about? When I say drug, I'm not talking like hard narcotics or heroin, or whatever, but like pharmaceutical.
Speaker 2:Ozenpic and so ozenpic is Like it's a medication. It's a drug meant for people with diabetes and it's a it is a weight loss, um, like it is for weight loss for people with diabetes to help kind of get them down to a regular To help regulate the diabetes as well.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah exactly.
Speaker 3:I think the primary focus of ozenpic is to mimic what insulin does. Right yeah but the but. This is where the media comes into play. Is that the, the benefit, the benefit, the big, shiny object out of it is that, yes, you do lose a lot of weight out of it.
Speaker 1:Sorry sorry, I just came really excited.
Speaker 3:No, you're good Go for it, but yeah, so this is where it's coming into. The news is that People who have type 2 diabetes needs ozenpic to help regulate their blood sugar levels. Right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Um, but of course people in hollywood, or let's just say in la county even orange county they're coming onto. It's like, oh, I get to lose weight super fast from this. Okay, I'm gonna buy all of it because I have so much money. So therefore it's lower in the market now or there's less supply of it in the market. So the people that who have type 2 diabetes are struggling to get this drug right, I don't know that, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's why it's kind of a hot topic Um so, people with type 2 diabetes? Essentially it's a disease. Let's be real.
Speaker 2:Yeah like. No, it is. It is. Yeah, like. Type 2 diabetes is a disease and it is a disease like that you contract. You know that, based off of choices that you have.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's kind of the kind of controversies, the right word. But um, yeah, it's, the supply of it's so low because these people are buying it up. People who don't have type 2 diabetes are buying it up because they want to lose weight quick. And so that's where the quick fix comes into play. It's like we all know that that's not anything. Quick is not good.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:I've heard tim say fast money is bad money. Yes, same thing with anything health and fitness related. Anything quick Is not going to sustain you for a long time. Yeah, you might lose weight. Be okay, back fast agreed, anyone that does a gastric bypass, like I know people close to me have done it and, unfortunately, like they don't change their habits and so they're likely to gain that weight. Yeah, quick, back the.
Speaker 2:Actually, yeah, I agree, I agree with that, all of it.
Speaker 1:actually, um, to ring that bell, actually, no, the uh, I'm just sitting here like watching you guys listen, I'm like I've been wanting to have a discussion like this with Evan for a long time, so I love it.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, it's like it's been a long time coming. Sam too yes, too long. Sam too too long. No, the uh, I'd say uh, yeah with that. Actually, I do know people that have used ozempic and aren't necessarily. They aren't necessarily uh, diabetic granite with uh, and one of them actually being a client. I'm not gonna say their name, uh, and everything I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 1:George demiola, sam Kamalafey.
Speaker 3:No, but like he uh.
Speaker 2:Like so what? Like, uh, they used the, they've been using the drug and like, they have been losing weight. But here are the side effects that they don't tell you when, like, you're losing the weight.
Speaker 2:And especially if you're losing a specific amount of weight. You think it's gonna be easy. Um, it makes your life a little more miserable Because, what, what it does, uh, at least the side effect that I have seen when, uh, it comes to the uh like, uh, some of the stuff, basically the working out, it becomes a lot harder when you work, when you are like, basically, it suppresses your appetite, but it also makes you nauseous, um, from eating Yep and so yep, yep and so when you're like. So you are losing a lot of weight and sure you'll be losing fat, but you're gonna be losing a lot of muscle too which muscle tissue is.
Speaker 2:So think of it this way tim Muscle tissue Is expensive.
Speaker 3:That's how I describe it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's it's very expensive, meaning that it takes more energy to maintain muscle than uh then like fat or the other uh tissue. And so by having more lean muscle tissue, yeah, you're burning more calories at rest. Ring that bell, oh.
Speaker 1:So, so yeah, keep going, keep going like it by.
Speaker 2:So when, like, you take a drug like ozepic, yeah, you're gonna be losing a lot of weight, but it's almost like crash dieting, you know where. It's like you lose a lot of weight but you're gonna be losing a lot of muscle. And then, if you're working out, sure, like you're gonna be trying to maintain some of that muscle that you're trying to hold on to, but your workouts are gonna be so much harder to recover from, because not only are you losing more muscle mass, but you are also Getting nauseous from eating all types of food. And so if you're trying to get like enough protein in, yeah, forget about it You're gonna feel nauseous and like you're gonna have like maybe one or two meals and you're gonna throw up or one of throw up, and so you're gonna be under eating. So, basically, it's a just a drug that help you like not eat or like under eat.
Speaker 2:And so now, oh, is it almost like an appetite suppressant Is that, yeah, that's, that's one of the side effects and that's why they're like it's a weight loss drug, but really it's. Uh, it's not an effective way to lose weight because the side effects do not outweigh Like the benefits it's not for the long term.
Speaker 2:It's not for the long term, it's very short term. And once you get off of it Again, and then like you start to see the rebound and everything, because then you start to get hungry again and so, like your hunger cues get come back and then you're you're not feeling nauseous from eating anymore, so then you're like, oh man, I could eat again. Uh, it's, it's not a sustainable, not sustainable for the long term. But um, which is why it's like again, there's like you were kind of saying in the beginning, there's no quick fix, there's no, there's no magic pill that's gonna help you, like miraculously, get to the just get shredded, yeah, like I mean again.
Speaker 2:There are okay. So, like in the bodybuilding world, there are a Hit ton of drugs that will help you, like get shredded, um, but they come with side effects and it could be dangerous again, especially if you don't know how to dose them properly. And even if you do dose them properly, you do run the risk of like messing up your health. And so when you're um, like like when literally trying to like lose weight, you want to do it in a way that's could be, it's good, like it's gonna take some time, but you want it like the slower it comes off, the longer it's gonna stay off. And think of it this way too. Like you know it's like if you need to lose Like 40 or 50 pounds, you know you didn't get the 40 or 50 pounds overnight. It took some time.
Speaker 2:Yeah like you know, and sometimes for a lot of people it just creeps up over time, where it's like they don't really pay attention to what they're eating and they're going out and they're having. Like they're going out on the weekends, like with their friends, like having a couple of drinks, going to a party here and there, and, like you know, year after year, that compounds over time and so then you look back like 20, or like 10, 15, 20 years down the line and you're like holy shit, like I'm, like I'm 40 pounds overweight, like what the fuck happened? Well, it's like you didn't take. Think of it this way. I like to think of calories and food In the same way that we think of like finances and money and like budgeting.
Speaker 3:I use the same analogy.
Speaker 2:Yes, I like that, yeah so you want to think of it is that your calories, um, is like, you're a lot of calories for the day is like your daily budget. But for food, because, like, and the thing is like when, like, it's like, people are so against like Tracking their food, or like having a food tracker because it's like, oh, it promotes like unhealthy relationships to food. I'm like, well, it's like, how do you, how do you see the same with money, though it's like. If you want to see, like, like, think of it this way. If you want to look at a food label to see how much calories it is before you eat, it's just so that you have a more informed decision. Again, if you go to target Sorry, sam, too, uh, if you go to target.
Speaker 2:And then, and like you see this and you see like this totally cute shirt.
Speaker 2:It says bar, barbie, sundae, funday and all it. You know, you know, you, and it's like you want to look at the price to see how much cost, so that you, it's like, okay, is this worth spending the money on? Like, how much money do I have in my bank account? How much do I have to spare On this fun purchase? So, just the same thing with, like with your food.
Speaker 2:It's like, you know, okay, does this align with the calories that I have set for my daily calorie intake? Do I have enough food or am I getting enough protein in? Do I have enough Calories to spare while also still getting my protein? Uh, like hitting my protein goal? It's like, if the answer is no, there's like okay, maybe maybe not today, maybe you can have it like another day, maybe like, uh, again, you're Um, I, you can choose, you choose what you want to have, but make sure that you get what you need first. Yeah, uh, budget your food, budget your calories, like you would your finances, so that you're able to make smarter decisions With, like putting in your body, just like you know, making smarter decisions with where you put your money.
Speaker 3:I might argue that a little bit on you, evan, oh.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, let's go. I don't hear a lot of arguments on this podcast.
Speaker 3:Let's go All right. That's why I'm here. We'd like to be nice to each other. No, yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, this is good, this is good, no so.
Speaker 3:Evan, I think everything you said correct. Like a lot of people can benefit from tracking. You know their calories or, and not even like to a tea, right, right, like, even like a loose tracking if you want to say right, um. But the argument I would say is that the general population most do stress over tracking, like a lot of them, just because they're like oh man, I didn't get my 100 grams of protein, now I have to chow down on 50, like this is a lot right. So then they stress out and then they get anxiety and then all these things start to come into play. I think and you hear this all the time too, I'm sure just focus on Whole Foods. That's like the biggest thing that you can do.
Speaker 1:If you're not trying to so people understand, can you? This is not to like say that people are dumb, but if people don't understand Whole Foods, what does that mean?
Speaker 3:It's like whole natural foods. So we're looking at vegetables, fruits, meats, right Like your meat.
Speaker 2:Like the less processed, like at least amount of processed.
Speaker 3:Nothing packaged. Now people will argue that fruits and vegetables from the grocery store are processed because they have to go through a whole system.
Speaker 2:Right, so it's like they're less processed. But basically, if you're looking at a grocery store, stay on the outsides of the store, like in everything, and that's basically where you want to stay. As far as like getting your groceries, I so like actually in mind of I cutting with that, yeah, like I. So I actually I agree with you as far as, like people should be eating. They would be benefiting from eating more Whole Foods, but I think that's over simplistic. The reason why I say that is because, like again, like stressing out about like tracking their protein, I think that a lot of them don't realize how much, like how they don't realize, like actually how much protein that they actually should be consuming, agreed, and so they're like so, like there should be like a little bit of like kind of stress like oh shit, I'm not eating.
Speaker 2:It's like it should be an eye opening moment, right, yeah, but I think that, as far as, like you know, I do say like this with empathy too like for people who are not like, who do stress out about tracking food and everything, I think that as far as, like you know, it's it may seem tedious, it doesn't need to be as complicated as people think. I think that is like how and how I explain it to a lot of my clients is that when you are tracking your food, it's like one I want you, like I like to have people attract their food just to see how much they're actually tracking in the first place, and like not necessarily focusing on hitting the goal or hitting the thing at first, like I get into a habit of just tracking just so that you understand how much food that you're actually consuming and that you get in the habit of actually tracking. So that's therefore that you don't feel stressed out and like you don't have a judgment. You're just collecting data, so tracking.
Speaker 1:So people.
Speaker 2:So tracking. So tracking your calories, so using an app like my Fitness Pal or Macro Factor or Carbon. These are apps that like our digital, these are digital food tracking apps that basically it's like a food diary. So it's a food diary of what you ate, how much calories it has, how much protein, carbs, fats the whole nine yards, but it's a way to. It's just like a food diary.
Speaker 2:And it's like to help you keep track of, like, what you're eating, cause sometimes, like, if you don't track it like again I know like I've trained a hundred like hundreds of people that are at this point in my life and like every time I'm asking like, oh, what are you eating?
Speaker 2:Oh well, I ate a salad and like some fish and all that, and then they forget to mention, like you know, like the five sizes of pizza that they had the night before, which is totally fine, but like again, like people have like a short-term memory loss when it comes to like what they immediately eat. So I think that it's beneficial for people to track just to have an idea, to know exactly what they're consuming and then also, when it like, when it actually having, like you know, a week's worth of tracking and also getting the hang of actually tracking, then actually finding ways to get more protein and to focus on hitting a calorie goal and a protein goal, and then like, kind of fill in the rest of where it lies, where it's like again, like the rest of your calories you can fill it up with however you want to do with, like either carbs or fats, like whatever you feel more comfortable with eating. But kind of. I think that the general public needs to like, we need to like learn more how to like comfortably track, and I think that that's something that a lot of the reason why people stress out at least again like, let me know if, like what you think of this. But I think that a lot of people stress out because, like it's just such a foreign thing to them and that they don't like, they don't necessarily know how and on, and it may seem tedious at first and so they over, like it makes it a little more overwhelming and that causes some of that anxiety.
Speaker 2:But if, like, if we just get into a practice of actually just doing it first and then, based off of the data that we collect, that we can make the finer adjustments to make it seem a lot more doable and then like actually having more protein, grant again it's like the whole entire protein thing where it's like, oh no, like I'm, like I'm 50 grams or 100 grams under, like under my protein goal, like and feeling stressed out. There is a thing where give yourself some grace but then also like, okay, well, how much do we have? What are the foods that we ate? What can we change in order to help kind of bring up the protein and bring down the calories? And focusing on looking at more like again, like what you said whole foods. Like again like having more lean meats, chickens, fish or poultry fish, and then also like again.
Speaker 2:Like this is where, like, supplementation does help in everything, where it's like, okay, you can supplement with protein, not a protein powder, not necessarily rely on it, but like, if you need to help, like help get you to your goal, but you don't feel like eating another whole chicken breast, get there, like then having a quick protein shake to help you kind of get to your protein goal while also being able to eat what you want. I think that that's a. I don't think that that's necessarily too much to ask for people to do.
Speaker 3:No, and I think everything you said is correct and I definitely think that there is a time and place for that type of strategy. I in my and I probably should make clear from the beginning in my head I'm thinking the general American who doesn't exercise very much, who isn't very aware of their diet, in those like we mentioned earlier, how you feel after you eat certain foods. Most of the general population doesn't pay attention to that, right it's. If you sit them down and say, hey, how do you feel after you eat Chick-fil-A? Like, oh well, stomach kind of hurts a little bit after I use the rest of the next morning kind of on the toilet for a while.
Speaker 2:Right, and then you know so good though, yeah, god, so good it's only on Sunday, yeah, and then yeah.
Speaker 3:And then when you point out it's like, do you hear what you just said? Like it, you didn't feel good, so let's kind of minimize that. But anyways, yeah, um, again, I'm kind of thinking general American, yeah, Um, every like you said, like I said, everything you said is correct and time and place. But I think for the general, start super simple, because I feel like a lot of that can really overwhelm, um again, the general population. And so if you, these would be the top three things I would say for for a client, if they're starting from square, one is just focus on whole foods and when you're focusing on your diet, just eat as much protein as you can, because you know how hard it is to hit your protein intake If you give them a certain number. Right, like you said, it's great to have a parameter and be like okay, your goal is 150 grams per day For someone starting off.
Speaker 3:that's going to be super hard for them to hit that. So if you have them, just be like hey, free for all, eat what you can. Again, focus on whole foods. Um, try to get as much protein as possible, because we all know protein is a bit more satiating than any other food.
Speaker 2:Right, and it has the therm. It has the thermic effect as well.
Speaker 3:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Which for for the listeners out there, like the thermic effect in food, especially with protein, um, so pro, it takes more energy to break down protein than it does fats and carbs. So you're like, like, so you're basically like, you're kind of burning more as you're digesting it and um, so like, you're kind of like using up a little bit more energy while also consuming more. So, um, there is that also helpful fact. So again, um, regardless, like, again, this is a great, this is a great like back and forth debate. But eat your protein. Protein is important.
Speaker 3:That is the biggest thing. Just focus on your protein intake. And when I say satiating, that means that you're going to feel fuller longer, right? If I put a baked potato in front of you and then, and then the next, I put a steak in front of you, what's going to help you feel fuller longer? A steak, right?
Speaker 2:So now a steak and a potato together.
Speaker 3:Now that's a steak, and potatoes.
Speaker 1:Steak and potato.
Speaker 3:But I also want to touch base back on a comment that you made about muscle being being expensive tissue.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Because it is. And, um, I think, when it comes to focusing on weight loss and wanting to lose weight, a lot of people think that they need to just go run cardio and do all this thing. Sorry, tim, I know that you're a cardio bunny, but yeah, no, you do lift weights too. I know you're a.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're totally right, but again, speaking general population, right?
Speaker 3:And so, um, if you focus on building muscle, again, going back to your analogy about money and finances, I do the same thing, Right? So if you take two people, let's say they're twins they both have the same job, right? One person's going to be investing money with their paychecks and then the other one is just spending money from what they earn hourly, right? Who's going to be wealthier in the long run? Right, the one that's investing money. When you're building muscle, you're essentially investing in yourself, because you're going to be burning more calories at rest the more muscles that you have.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:So why not yeah?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So why so? When you're running, you're manually burning your calories, right, Versus if you build muscle and you're sitting at rest, you're burning calories that way too Right. So why would Act to?
Speaker 2:preach. So so, actually, um, yes, I would, I definitely want to speak on that too. Um, so, this is like. This is like my thoughts on like cardio and like weight training. Um, now, obviously it's like so, someone like me, I love resistance training, I love lifting heavy weights, I love getting stronger, I love building muscle.
Speaker 1:Never could have told you know, I just love it so much.
Speaker 2:But you know and um, so, like you know, cardio is not as much of a um is like, is not as much of a priority as far as things I look forward to doing when it comes to exercise. But there is benefit in cardio, but I like and it it can be useful in losing weight and like I think that like again like you'd have to be a moron to like say like, yeah, like it's like cardio it doesn't help with losing weight.
Speaker 3:And I totally don't know.
Speaker 2:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not saying that it is, but I was just saying like uh, for any any trolls out there that are just like yeah, actually you know right Um, but but, but I think that, as far as um like, having a good balance of both, are very beneficial, but I think of cardio more so like, because, like you, can, you can lose weight without doing like a cardio. You're like, you, can you. Just, if you just move more and you uh, you less, like again, like, without doing any cardio, you still will lose weight. Um, it's going to suck a lot more because you're going to have to eat a lot less in order to achieve the same goal, and then also, you're not going to be as healthy, and I think that the reason why you should do cardio, uh, is not because of um, like, the fat loss benefit, but because of the quality and quantity of life. I think that working your heart is going to be more important for you, um, for a longer like, for longevity purposes.
Speaker 2:Um, I think that that's something that should be focused on more when, like, when it comes to, if you're just a gym rat, meathead and all, you're like, uh, it's like no, bro, like I don't do, I don't do cardio, I call it Cardi no, cardi no, but it's you know, it's uh, like you know, it's like like, listen, like you just pat them on the head and he's like all right, you little dumbass, don't worry it, come on over here, we're going to go on the stair master, for just like.
Speaker 2:Just give me 15 minutes, man, just 15. But like, honestly, like you should, people should get like at least 150 minutes of, um, moderate intensity, steady state cardio per week. Uh, again for like, for like, again like this is just like for like, just general health. Um, obviously, it's like, if you can't do that, then just doing like, low intensity, stay, stay, cardio. Again in very simple terms go for a walk, go for a walk every day, and that's going to be like, that's going to be just as beneficial or maybe maybe not just as beneficial, it's going to be beneficial it's going to be, it's going to help you.
Speaker 2:Uh, and then also by the the more that you move, the better it is for you, like the more of the food that you can actually eat.
Speaker 2:So if you did go on a deficit, like you'll be at a higher set point so that you don't have to feel like you're super starving yourself.
Speaker 2:But anyways, I'm kind of going off track a little bit, but again, as far as with the uh cardio aspect, um, yeah, like I think that the general, like so the general American or general person really, who wants to lose weight um, kind of kind of piggyback off of what you're saying is like the, the they don't track their food, um, like they don't know how they feel after they eat certain foods.
Speaker 2:They probably don't drink enough water, they most likely don't eat enough protein, um, and they don't exercise or move at all. And so when they decide that they want to lose weight, they either like decide that just like, okay, I'm going to run on the treadmill as hard and as fast as I can and everything, and then end up, actually end up hurting themselves or burning themselves out too quickly, and they're like this is too hard and I'm not seeing any results, so I'm just going to give up. And then I'm going to just do, like, do what I've done, but even go harder and even gain even more weight, um, and then, like, they don't really like they stay away from the weight room and typically and like again, like with the people who want to lose weight, who tend to be women, try to avoid the weights area because it's intimidating, because you just see a bunch of fricking gym bros over there, and so I do think that's changing a bit, though I do Since we started.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Joey Swalby. Yeah, yeah, joe, we need to have him on. Joey, if you're listening to us, I love you. Please come on.
Speaker 1:I have a contact for him actually, yeah.
Speaker 2:We'll talk about later. Okay, cool yeah, cool, sweet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, please, please, okay, but I do.
Speaker 2:But oh, sorry, I. But I think that, as far as like again, like it is changing, which is awesome, but like again, the stigma was, like women don't want to be in the in the, in the weight room, they don't want to lift weights because they don't want to look too bulky. Like you know that stigma and like you know it's it's changing, but it is still there and I think that it's like we have it all wrong where it's like we just have to outrun a bad diet and like, if, like, we just run enough and all that, then we'll lose the way. Or it's like, or what some people do too, is that they just won't eat or they'll just like they'll have like salads and like they're like oh, I don't want to have protein, because protein makes me fat. I've had people say that to me.
Speaker 3:If I had a book for all the outrageous things.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, okay yeah.
Speaker 3:If you say one thing, say one of the craziest things that you've heard from from a client.
Speaker 2:Oh, man, there's so many. There's so many, oh man, from a client. Oh man, I have one. Yeah, if you want to think yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, the best one I've ever heard. I was getting a massage, and normally when I get massages I just want to relax.
Speaker 2:But the but the massage person is like oh, you're a trainer, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that too. Oh, you're a trainer.
Speaker 3:Let me tell you about all of my nutrition and exercise, which typically. I love hearing this stuff, but you know, when I'm in a massage I just want to relax.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:She was like so I'm only keto until 2pm every day.
Speaker 1:Wait what.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're never in keto, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wait, that makes any sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she's telling me her exercise plan, which is fine, you know. And then she goes over to nutrition. Yeah, I'm only keto until 2 PM each day. And I was like what? And I had this slight moment in my head. I was like do I talk about it with her or do I just let it be?
Speaker 1:No, you let it be.
Speaker 2:I was like I let it be because I'm Get your massage.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's get here to get my massage. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's fine. Yeah, I think the craziest thing was, like it was the protein comment. Really Like it's like. It's like, oh, I avoid protein because protein makes you fat. Or they'll say it's like, oh, I had a lot of protein today. I'm like, oh great, what did you have? I had an avocado. I was like, wait, what? Like some avocado, that's great. And I was like, yeah, it's a good source of protein. I'm like it's good source of fat. It's good source of fat, but also it's calorie dense and everything and all. And then I was like I had a salad today and avocado and yogurt and I'm like, ok, where's your? Was it Greek yogurt? Nope.
Speaker 3:Just add your protein. People Just get your protein. But I mean, evan, we can definitely go back and forth on all this for hours, right? So yeah?
Speaker 2:I just I think, as far as I'm sorry, like, as far as, like, I appreciate your approach and I don't think it's wrong, I think that we agree on it, I think that I think we're on just different, not different, sides of the spectrum.
Speaker 3:We're on different parts on the spectrum. I'm probably at the very beginning of like day. One person hasn't done much.
Speaker 2:Now I think now where I OK. So now this is like where I think this is where we kind of disagree, because I think that, like, overall, everything that you're saying is great. I also think that, again, like, if we think of the average American, if we like we switch them over to having more Whole Foods and like, but they're like I'm like, I want, I want my McDonald's and Chick-fil-A and like all this stuff. Or like I want the stuff that's going to be easy for me to make and like switching just to Whole Foods Granite, you and I know that, like, whole Foods can taste delicious, but like people who like, eat out all the time and eat fast food, fast food is engineered to make you like, make you taste exactly.
Speaker 2:And sometimes Whole Food and like making that adjustment can be more difficult.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely, it would definitely be a slow, gradual, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so I think that it's like. I think that that's important, but I also think that where we differ is that, like on day one, like again having that simplistic. I think that that's a good guideline to go with, but I think it's like on day one, why not like, show them the tools and get them used to using the tools from the get go, just so that they understand what's actually going on, and like, having them, like, going through a learning process of actually like having the tools at their disposal so that they're able to understand like, what like, because I feel like we do things more that we understand it Right and like, and when we, the more that we understand, the more that we do things like, the faster that like, we can kind of start seeing progress. And then the faster that we start seeing progress, the more motivated that we're going to be to stick with it and actually follow through.
Speaker 3:But what do you do when the motivation's gone?
Speaker 2:Because motivation is an emotion in it, right, yeah, so that's and that's the thing too is like, but like it's like it's not the motivation that starts it, though, like it's the action, like it's taking the action first, and by taking what I mean by taking the actions, like using the tools. And so it's like, if we start using the tools, that is the small action that we're taking, and then the motivation comes when we see the like scale starting to go down and gets, and then that's like when the motivation actually starts to come up, because we're actually like excited, we're like, oh wow, the thing that I did, the thing that I was supposed to be, like, the thing that I've been learning to do, it's actually starting to, I'm starting to already see the payoff from it and everything. So, like looking at those small wins and continuing to find those small wins week to week so that, like, the motivation continues to stay there. Now, again, when motivation does die out, it's like focusing back on our habits and our behavior.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So the behaviors and the habits, the disciplines that we create for ourselves in order to like, stick to the program Granted and I also want to say this too is like the program. The program is designed to set you up for, to get you to your goal, granted. Again, life happens and you have to make adjustments, and I think that adjustments have to be made in order to get your goal to like. You could have the plan at the start, but then it's like, when you actually go through it, you know, it's like. I mean I'm sure that, like when you're out, like, or like when, like you know, sailors are out at sea, right, it's like they, again, the waters are going to have them go this way and that right. So they have to constantly like, make adjust, to readjust in order to get, to get back to the port right.
Speaker 2:So same thing here. As far as like, when it comes to like a plan, it's like when motivation is gone, then we rely on our behaviors that we have set up in our disciplines, that we've created for ourselves, in order to get us back on track. But I think that motivation, motivation it shouldn't be the main factor that help get you, get you to your goal. I think that it's like it's nice to have and I think it's a great thing to kind of push you forward. But as far as when it comes to comes to the start of it, it's like I think in my head and I think of it too is like if, like for me, something that's like outside of fitness, like if I'm a newbie in another realm, you know I want to have the tools that will help get me there. Like I want to learn how to use the tools.
Speaker 2:Like not just the general guidelines, just because, like again, the general guidelines tend to be too general. And like again, like yes, and I know that we're talking a hypothetical like, like just the general American, but like I'm thinking that like for me when I think of it is like the general guidelines are great to have and like you should have them, but then, like you, should be able to have some action steps like to take immediately so that you can start seeing the progress faster. So that would motivate you to like stick to the program even more.
Speaker 1:What's your rebuttal?
Speaker 3:Again, I think it. All coaches are different. Let's just make that all coaches are different. And so for me, yes, I always focus on habits and behaviors from the start. So, yes, some clients are good with the stricter guidelines. Stricter isn't.
Speaker 1:Oh sorry You're good, still have the mic.
Speaker 3:Some clients do well with the guidelines that you're talking about, right? I? I'm just kind of going back to the general focus on the whole foods. Just move more, focus on your sleep, making it easier for them, so then when they get to level let's just say level two then we can start introducing the. Okay, here are your guidelines 2,500 calories per day. Your goal is to hit 150 grams of protein Now that you've kind of transitioned into this whole food-esque diet. Now here are your guidelines and then now here's your goal. So I'm sure, like the first week maybe, they're only going to get to 100 grams of protein on week one. Week two they'll start to find ways to implement more protein, feel better about it, track how they feel and all that stuff. I lost my train of thought. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no worries, yeah, no, no, no, you're good, I like you're not.
Speaker 1:And Evan wins.
Speaker 3:I'm like trying to focus on the cameras and then this no you're good, you're good.
Speaker 2:It's a lot. Huh, it is a lot, it's a lot. My mind is yeah, I do.
Speaker 1:There's times when people understand, like when, like right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like when you're one, two, there's a lot of times where you know our schedules won't line up. And I still got it, we still got to put an episode out. Right, I'm like, cool, well, I'm going to host, I'm going to do the cameras. Yeah, I'm going to keep like the train of thought. Keep eye contact, think about what you're talking about. Where are we going with this conversation on top of hitting the button for that camera to go back and forth?
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah, and I'm like dude, people don't understand the amount of focus you have to have to be able to do all that. But all this to say you guys bring up a lot of great points and both of you have been my trainer. Oh, you got something to say. I got something to say, dude, you know what? Go for it, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:I'm just ready.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, your body's shaking right now.
Speaker 3:I didn't want to just tear me up.
Speaker 2:I'm not tearing you up, I'm just adding to it. But yo, I think that, as far as things that you're saying, as far as starting off basic level one and everything, I guess this is where it's like again you're thinking in the general aspect of it and kind of thinking of the big picture of how it should be. Is that what you say?
Speaker 3:That's kind of like a more summary of what I'm saying yeah, pretty much yeah. I'm trying to make it as easy as possible, from day square one day one for this general person.
Speaker 2:Yes, and so when I say guidelines, again it's like they are general guidelines. But, again, the first thing that I put all my clients through is I have them go through a week of doing these things. I'm like, ok, I just want you to collect your data, I want you to collect, yeah, you definitely need that. And so that's kind of where I'm coming from, where I'm looking at the individual, because when us trainers are training, it's like we're focused on the individual and so we have to take into account all of the things that they have to do in their everyday life. And then I think that for me, what makes it simple is that it's like, ok, I'm going to give you these tasks to do and that are again breaking it down to the simplest form that they can follow through.
Speaker 2:And I think that, as far as when it comes to the actual follow through, what's the number one thing that gets a client to their goal? What's the number one thing for people to lose weight or gain muscle? It's adherence. It's about being able to stick to a program that you can be the most consistent with. That's going to be the most easy for you to stick with. And I think that, again, I think that we both understand it, we both agree on that.
Speaker 3:I think that our approach may be different, because I think but you stay consistent Because you can write the best program in the world. Give them the best nutrition plan in the world, Right.
Speaker 2:No. And then this is where having a coach or having a trainer really comes into play, because again, like we said earlier, it's like life comes at you fast and sometimes the plan is shit because it didn't account for this event that wasn't planned for. So things pop up in life and that's where we make adjustments during the plan. It's like OK, so again. For example, I had a client who again, this is a small example, but I had a client who trains four times a week. But then it's like her and her family were going on their very first family camping trip for a few days and they're like, oh well, I don't know what to do. It's like OK, well, focus on these fundamental principles of just getting activity and moving around as much as you can.
Speaker 2:Again, this is where the general guidelines kind of make sense, where it's like just make sure to focus on your protein I don't overthink it, eat slower Stuff. Like that does make sense, but that's only after having some education or some form of practice already in place, because if you throw somebody again, I think that why? I think it's overgeneralized when it's saying eat more whole foods. I think the general American doesn't know what more whole foods looks like.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and you definitely walk them through. What that is Right.
Speaker 2:And so, but again, it's about that guideline, as far as making sure that, yeah, like, basically you're focusing on just Losing my train of thought, this is my day, yeah, yeah, so but I think that, as far as like, when it comes to Like having like small action, steps and everything, and like so and like the habits and behaviors.
Speaker 3:Exactly what are you gonna do when you don't have, when that plan fails or when you don't? Have the motivation to follow it.
Speaker 2:You fall back on your habits and your behaviors right and I think that, as far as, like you know, and and also too, it's like as a coach, it's like your responsibility, like the whole clients accountable, but also it's like and I guess, like every coach is different, but I feel like for me it's like I don't like, I don't like my like. I don't Make my clients feel like shit if they didn't hit their protein or they didn't hit their calories. I ask them like I'm like okay, like what did you do this day? Like what did you do this day? Like what happened?
Speaker 2:And typically the times that, like my clients don't like hit their calories or hit their protein goals and usually they hit under, not over it's because, like you know, life happens I'm like, okay, great, this is a cool teachable moment where we can learn, like okay, so in times like this, what can we have in place that will help us in the future? And I think that it's like all these things that, like you know, can be seen as a negative, or actually it come. It kind of comes back to like the beginning of this podcast, where You're like the struggles that we have are at the hard times that we go through. It's like we're meant to go through those times to learn something right. And same thing with the fitness journey where you know there are gonna be times where, like, you're not gonna hit your calories, you're not gonna hit your protein, you're not gonna get the workout in or the workout is gonna be shit there. Like those, there are gonna be moments where it sucks, but at the same time it's like okay, like nothing goes your way, like, but it's like okay, well, what can I do better next time? What can I do better tomorrow, so that it's not gonna be like today?
Speaker 2:And so it's like okay, I didn't hit my protein. Well, like, why is that? It's like okay, well, I skipped breakfast because I slept in a little bit. Like I slept in a little bit, I slept past my alarm. I wasn't able to make breakfast and I had to get to work and I didn't plan, I didn't, I didn't prep food in time in order to like like to have a healthy lunch, so I actually had to go out and get Taco Bell and then then, like, I came back and like I was just so tired and drained from the day and so I didn't have enough time to, or like I didn't feel like making like any whole food type of dinner so I just ordered, you know, some Chick-fil-A, and so it's like kind of learning how to like, like kind of looking back and reflecting back Comes back to the again the same thing that we do agree on.
Speaker 2:I just think that, as far as Small habits like tracking, I I'm a fan of tracking because I've trained people not tracking food and trained people to tracking food and every single time the people that track are the ones that get results. And I know that's like more anecdotal, but with all the clients that I've trained over my oh, it's gonna be 10 years. I've been a trainer for 10 years. This November that's crazy, damn.
Speaker 2:Time flies, but like, but that like having like that much experience and like having clients who like don't track and clients that do track. It's like overwhelmingly the people that do track and the people that have given general guidelines. It's like it's good to have general guidelines, but you need to point them in the direction a little bit more of a fine-tuned direction so that they can have something easier to follow.
Speaker 3:To be clear, I'm not anti-cardio and I'm not anti-tracking for the listeners. Just letting you know I'm sorry, I definitely think track.
Speaker 2:there's a time and a place for tracking for sure, but again we can go, sorry again, we go hours for this.
Speaker 3:But yeah, and my question for you would be to kind of wrap it up, sorry, what would? What would be your top three things that you would tell a client that just wants to live a healthier life.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, okay, let's see top three things.
Speaker 3:Because hopefully we didn't confuse our listeners at this point. Top three things Sorry, tim.
Speaker 2:So top three things. So number one Walk every day. I like that.
Speaker 1:Walk every single day.
Speaker 2:Get some form of movement every single day, like the more you move, the better it is. It's very important and getting outside and going on a walk and you know you can listen to a podcast if you want to, maybe this one, let's go, let's go or you could just unplug and just like kind of just be outside and be in the moment. I think it's really good, not only for, like, your physical health, but for your well-being as well. I think that that's something that, like walking, I think is highly underrated Mental your mental health.
Speaker 1:I love going on walks when, like I'm finding tough day or something like that's nice, just get out Big time and it gets. Oh, hi, everybody.
Speaker 3:Oh, here yeah.
Speaker 1:No, that's not to cut you off, but yeah, like just to just take it out and move. You know not to go do the things I do like run 10 miles and trail runs and mountain bike and all that stuff, but the movement and getting that sun on your skin, yes, Fresh air so important.
Speaker 2:So the next thing I would say dang, there's like I have like a list of things. I'm like these are the things that are going to help you live a better life.
Speaker 1:You got nailed down bro.
Speaker 2:Three things, just three. Okay, top three.
Speaker 3:Obviously there's more, but there's more okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Diets going to be one of them, right? Huh, diets, is that falling?
Speaker 2:there. Well, yeah, yeah, I'm going to say like again, like with the diet, like having proteins, fruits and vegetables, like having that, like having those in your diet every day, focusing on protein, fruits and vegetables, because, like, again, the protein, because like it's just, it's going to keep you full, it's great for recovery. It's like again, like it's not, like it's great, like to help prepare the muscle and everything but that. And then the fruits and vegetables, because it's the like the fiber, as well as like the vitamins and minerals that you get from it. So you're going to have just like, if you have those, if you eat those three things, like those three categories, every single day, you're going to feel great and then like, damn, there's Okay.
Speaker 2:The last one is really tough because, again, like knowing me and looking at me, it's like resistance training and like you know, but like it's tough because it's like, do I go with resistance training or do I go with sleep and recovery and actually having a proper amount of sleep? Because actually I think that sleep is going to be like it's actually funny enough, like what was it? Like heart attacks go up for people who like lack proper sleep, like over a long period of time, like they're the risk of heart attacks, skyrockets. So it's like, yeah, I would go to sleep, but then also it's like drinking enough water, because I feel like a lot of people don't drink enough water.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but you can get your water and take their fruits and vegetables again. Top three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, true, of course, hydration is going to fall.
Speaker 1:Hydration, yeah so You're such a protagonist over here, good lord.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but no, I'll go with the sleep and recovery for my third one. But like I'm like, really I'm like Fuck a sleep weight. But top three. Those are my top three and like, even though so run to them real quick. Your number one was what? Number one was walking to protein, fruits and veggies, and three is sleep and recovery. I like it.
Speaker 3:Perfect, my, it's hard to rank them, but. I would say first one for me would be sleep and recovery, just because you can again follow the best diet plan, follow the best training plan. But if you're not recovering well and you're not sleeping, it's going to be very hard for you to get those adaptations and those benefits from doing those things. Not saying that you won't, but you won't get the full benefit of it.
Speaker 2:So, number one Sleep, sleep is super important as far as like also it's like your body resets. Yep and like also, if you want to lose weight, it really helps. Like it again if if you're doing everything right and you're still not losing weight, look at your sleep. If you're not sleeping enough, try to focus on getting like a solid eight hours of sleep every night. And do that for a week and see what happens.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so number one sleep. Number two agree with you getting movement outside doesn't have to be exercise, where it's planned reps and all that stuff. Right yeah, walking, gardening, just getting outside and getting the sunshine, getting the vitamin D Help so much preach number three, going back to my whole foods, less processed foods, people.
Speaker 2:Thank you, yeah so I think it's like we kind of like have like the same, I think, I think we, I think we have the same top three and not like yeah, I mean both you have been right on this whole conversation.
Speaker 1:It's actually been interesting, but usually I'm always the one, like you know, kind of leading the conversation and but to sit back and hear you to talk it's really good. It's informative because both of you have trained me throughout the years and so everybody knows Sam, too, does have a master's degree in kinesiology. You know, you have your certification, you have yours. You both are in the fitness world. Yeah, so this, this comes from two very educated people, so it's good to see you to talk it out, and you know, from my standpoint. You know, you guys know I do a lot of hard distance cardio, extended extended distance cardio. Not enough, not enough.
Speaker 3:What are you talking about Damn Sam too. One more no way, no way.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, I love mountain biking a lot more, which is nice. But I'll tell you from first-hand experience I can tell when I lift weights more consistently and heavy. Yeah, this is not to like bulky, but when I lift weights, I do should weight faster than when I do my hard cardio and long 15 mile runs and 50 mile bike rides. And you know, I can feel at night too. When I lift and consistent with it, I find myself waking up in the middle of night, hungry.
Speaker 3:Which is probably bad. You know what I'm saying, but whatever.
Speaker 1:Right, whereas when I cycle I don't get that Right. You know what I'm saying. I mean, I'm burning a lot of calories. I would say what my last mountain bike ride I did 15, some of my miles with like 2500 feet of climbing I burned almost 2000 calories.
Speaker 2:Yeah, humble brag.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not enough.
Speaker 1:And then when I do some of these long distance runs, same thing you're out there for hours, yeah, right, whereas when I go into, when I go and train with both of you, right, and I'm lifted heavy, I go in for what? Maybe 40 minutes, and then my body, as I've learned, it's burning those calories overnight. Yeah, and the other pairing brain. So for me, I'm not the specialist in that, but I have seen it through the exercise and the regimen that both of you have been on at some point being a trainer you know, so, it's first-hand experience everything you guys said or just bought out.
Speaker 3:I think next time you need to give us one topic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, you're fine, you're fine, I think, as far as I think it's funny because, like you say all this, like now, even though like a cardio and well, I guess cardio was somewhat in our top three, like somewhat like, because, like low intensity, steady state is still like technically cardio, right, like being like patantic about it, right, but like, no like, but I'd say like, even though like it's like cardio and lifting wasn't necessarily like super, like top three for us, I would say that, like you want like a, like a, like a better quantity of life, do like have a cardio regimen. Like you want to have a better quality of life, have like lift more weights or lift I do some resistance training and I think that doing both of them like like you shouldn't do just one or the other, they should work synergistically together and I think that big words.
Speaker 2:I'm, I'm adjudicated, I have a degree, but no, I think that as far as like yeah, like when you, when you lift weights, it helps you're running, and when you like, when you do cardio, it actually helps you perform better weight training, it's like so they work, they work well together and obviously it's like, depending on what your, what your specificity is, if it's like, if you are more of a distance runner, of like a distance athlete, then yes, having some a form of resistance training is going to be important to have, but like you're not going to go like like a powerlifting style, like there will be a strength training component, right, but it's like it's in service of you being better and more durable, yeah, for your races.
Speaker 2:And like you know, if you're, you know, a bodybuilder, it's like like there's no way around it. You're going to have to do some cardio and all, but they're doing it more to feel like lose weight. But like again, like there are aspects of like cardio that will help you increase, like your overall workload and work potential for like those high volume days for training to. So it's like you know both work well together and you should do a form of both, their both beneficial, and everybody should do weight training and cardio, and that is what I have to say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, basically. What it comes down to, too, is like there is no quick fix when it comes to your health big time you need to just start taking control and having discipline to your life.
Speaker 1:And we're not saying to be extreme, right, you know it doesn't mean, you know, getting too crazy and kind of macros, and you know macros and all that stuff. But you know, pay attention to what you're eating, pay attention to what you're drinking. And we're not saying be so strict that you don't enjoy life. Dude, have a day out of the week we're going to enjoy food with your family it's totally okay, dude, dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like and also like, and this is also for like now, like as far as like. When I say tracking food, I don't mean by being strict like, I don't mean by like, it's like okay, you have to try and like and like, you don't have to like, like hit every parameter is like oh god, if I hit my calories but then I'm not going to hit my fat goal and then I'm going to go over on my carbs, fuck, you know, like I'm not. I'm not saying that. It's just like overall, just general tracking, just to get a better understanding of what you're putting in your body. Yeah, like on a, like a calorie and macro level. But what I do say is like and this is like a thing with my balance too is that I, I want you to give your body what you need and everything.
Speaker 2:So you know vitamins, minerals, protein and being able to hit your calories. But I also want to. I also want you to have what you want because, again, like the the thing I said earlier, like the thing that's going to make a program work is adherence, and so if you can't stick to a diet, that diet is probably not great for you. The best diet is the one that you're able to stick to, and so you know, if you know, adding in more Whole Foods and having more protein in your diet but then still leaving room to have that Chick-fil-A I'm sorry, I'm just relying on Chick-fil-A because, like you said it and I was like, that's all I think about now.
Speaker 1:My mom calls it Chicken Fila.
Speaker 2:And I just it gets it like starts to bump me, I'm like it's Chick-fil-A. Yeah, it's like Chicken Fila.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like dude.
Speaker 2:It's like you know. It's like having what you want, Like I mean again, like for me, I love Krispy Kreme donuts and I know that there are people out there that's like that are saying it's like every day in the pink box. I don't want it and I'm like you know what. That's fine, that's OK. You stop Like it's all good, Like I love. I love the pink box too, but you know what? There's something about Krispy Kreme's that I just enjoy. I love their food. Again, I can't. I can't have it right now because I'm on 75 hard, so it's OK.
Speaker 2:But the thing is is that when you like, when you are going into a diet and on and this is like for just regular lifestyle you're just trying to lose weight. You're not in a competition, You're not in like a sporting event. You're just focusing on just trying to lose weight. You don't have to give up the foods that you love. That's the thing that people don't understand. It's like you might need to cut back on it, but you don't need to cut out completely. You just need to add in more stuff that's going to make you feel good and then, like, you can also treat yourself by having some of that food that you still want.
Speaker 2:I don't think that, like I don't think it's, like I don't think it's a good idea to just like go cold turkey with a lot of the foods. Granted, there are some people that do have an issue or like, do have a problem, Like a actual little food addiction where it's like OK, that's, that's a whole, entire different beast, and like that. Like OK, like there are definitely needs to be some type of counseling for that. But like, for the general, like general population people who want to lose weight, they don't have to, like they don't have to cut out, Like they don't have to suffer nearly as much as they need to in order to get to where they go, I think that's what people think too.
Speaker 1:They think they have to, you know, change their diet and suffer in it all. But like best thing I can say when it comes to food because we're going to wrap this up though I just say, like moderation, man. Yeah like for me, a good thing. People can quit and can't get into, especially like we live in Southern California. Right Right In the relationship, marriage whether you're married or not married, live with somebody. Pretty much both people are going to be working. That's expensive, right yeah. The best thing I did is use meal prep.
Speaker 2:Yes, me too.
Speaker 1:Places that I go to or just get the meals at the beginning of the week and I have it all week. Yes, portion control has plenty of protein, carbs and veggies in it and you're good to go. And all I got is usually it's made fresh, you just got to heat it up, put it in the microwave and you're good to go. But that has helped me so much, because a lot of us it's not just me our schedules are busy. Yeah, we have a lot going on, and especially with those with families. Yes, and a lot of times you don't have time to buy all the food and come home and then meal prep for hours on end. Right, you have kids, you have responsibilities, you have things you need to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There are other things you can do to do that which is like meal prep companies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I agree with you, actually Like we have a meal prep company that we use to at least for at least one of our meals for the weekday because, on the weekends.
Speaker 2:Okay, we can cook a little bit more on the weekends, but just something to help us during our busy schedule during the week.
Speaker 2:But what I again what I do is that I'll have one meal that's designated from the meal prep company and then what we do is that we'll cook just in bulk of a protein source and a veggie source and again, if we do have some I'm on a little bit of a lower carb right now Not necessarily low carb, but lower, yeah and so I just make sure that, yeah, like we just cook in bulk of that and we just put in big containers so that, like we can just kind of pick at it like throughout the week, or like we can like scoop out and like and measure it out and everything during the week when we need to make a meal real quick. Yeah, it doesn't need to be hardware, you don't have to cook every single day. Also, other stuff like protein shakes, greek yogurt, that like stuff like that, like that are going to be really quick and easy, that, like you're like, oh, I can just kind of grab and go, and everything that's like making it easier to be healthy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And like making it easier to be that have a healthy choice.
Speaker 1:My goodness well done everybody, good job. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I think no.
Speaker 1:I think we'll have to talk about this. I think we're going to have to have a health and fitness segment.
Speaker 3:Part two I'm done.
Speaker 2:Constantly oh yeah, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just one topic We'll talk about it.
Speaker 1:We'll talk about it. But no, this is great. I'm glad we talked about it. I mean, all of you hit on great points. I'm an expert in this, but it's good to have these conversations, it's good to talk about it back and forth and see what your view is. And it's not as easy as it is. And you give me just from personal experience, because both of you have been my trainers at one point and you've done well for me and it's taught me a lot. It really has. So I think these again, these are conversations that are good to have and people to realize the importance of movement, physical fitness, and there is no quick fix. There is no diet pill. When you go to, are there still GNCs around? You know?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, there is no diet pill. You take it and it's like, oh, it's going to just shut all the calories off. No, you need to put the work in and that comes with hard work and discipline and it really does fall on the person. Yeah, you can't teach motivation. Yeah, that's the hard part, exactly that is so hard you want to be proactive, not reactive.
Speaker 2:Exactly and like again, like this thing with like supplementation. It's like it counts for about maybe like 3% of the actual getting the results.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The majority of it. Like that's just, like it just helps with that extra little 3%. But if you're expecting that 3% to take you that full 100, it's not going to happen. You need to put in the work. You need to. Actually it's like that, kim Kardashian. It's like you need to put in the work. You know, it's like she never put in the work. If you don't have it, Ring that bell, oh no. Oh my God. But anyways, again we can go on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I think we'll talk about it after a week. But thanks you guys for being here in this episode. Thanks guys. Man Sam too, you have a hard time with those cameras. Holy crap, the whole time I'm like camera, camera here here.
Speaker 3:Like, come on, I'm sorry, it's a lot.
Speaker 1:That's why I tell people like you think this shit's easy, like it is tough when you're trying to host a podcast and make sure the audio's on and control the cameras while staying locked into the conversation. It's like it's a lot, dude, it's a lot. People don't know the work that goes into this. I love it, but why don't you lead us out, evan?
Speaker 2:All right, so well, everybody, that was a great time today, and I think that I can't do it as great as Jordan Jimiola does, but thank you guys so much for tuning in this week. Honestly, tim Sam too, it's been an awesome honor. I love hanging with you guys, but let's go ahead and get it. Let's go on three, one, two, three, let's go. Bye everybody. Yeah, we got that down.
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